I'd like a copy too please... Thanks Sean! On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I forwarded the template as requested. I should add that the template > provided was what we used to capture all responses. We didn't share the > responses between vendors. > > - Sean > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being >> frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of >> functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily >> an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a >> better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to >> pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). >> >> I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template >> to those that expressed interest individually. >> >> - Sean >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs >>> > to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of >>> technical >>> > requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you >>> put >>> > on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor >>> a >>> > uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of >>> their >>> > platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that >>> allows us to >>> > weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement >>> might be >>> > that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 >>> requirement >>> > might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger >>> cache. >>> >>> This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, >>> and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser >>> hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given >>> to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have >>> the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this >>> limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between >>> EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used >>> them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep >>> he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the >>> matter - I suggested another LH unit. >>> >>> > It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template >>> we used for our last storage purchase. >>> >>> That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow >>> the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us >>> doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other >>> that raised my dander. >>> >>> > - Sean >>> > >>> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before >>> >> purchase, methinks... >>> >> >>> >> Kurt >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin <seanmarti...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 >>> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a >>> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is >>> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They >>> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive >>> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported >>> >>> SCSI 3. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember <mathew.shem...@synopsys.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to >>> that. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>> >>>> Mathew >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] >>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM >>> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >>>> Subject: EMC limitations? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a >>> troubling >>> >>>> limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs >>> larger than >>> >>>> 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, >>> it's doe >>> >>>> to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but >>> that's >>> >>>> disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. >>> >>>> And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this >>> limitation? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Kurt >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ >>> >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> --- >>> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> --- >>> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >>> >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >> >>> >> --- >>> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >>> > >>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> > >>> > --- >>> > To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> > >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
