I disconcur (unconcur, misconcur?) Over my also very long association with this and other techie lists (especially Peter's old Exchange list) I've found many, many things being taken offlist. Of course IIRC almost all of those things have involved consuming copious amount of adult beverages (and yes, we have actually caused certain bars to run out of specific brands of said beverages). Some of those offlist contacts have become lifelong friends (even unto death, RIP JRH, Mr. Houge, and Mr. Southworth). I've also worked with many of the same people either directly (various list members have worked for me before) or via various consulting arrangements.
That being said, there are no "masters" here. There is no secret cabal. I've only seen personal types of comments when A) they are actually good friends with the person and are just yanking their chain, or B) that person has been such a douche bag that it appears that it's the only way to get them to listen (most still don't). Being a "real" person here has had a significant impact on my personal and professional life. If you think how you conduct yourself on some techie list doesn't matter, you are sadly mistaken. The good news is pretty much everyone I've personally encountered here and on other tech lists (probably 50-75 people) are very forgiving and welcoming people. My recommendation is to be a Real Person (tm) and consider the feedback people give you. It also helps if you buy a round when you do meet list members in person. (For those that are not adept at grasping the scope of my advice here, I'm NOT speaking to Mr. Harris. I'm addressing multiple other offenders here. I just happened to pick his message to reply to.) On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@gmail.com> wrote: > In all my years on this list I have never heard of anyone taking anything > beyond the list unless it was a comment that did not belong on the list > being sent directly to the email address of the subscribed individual > usually then it help of some kind not attacks. > > BTW I go back to about 97 or 98 so that is a LONG time. > > Jon > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin <kz2...@googlemail.com>wrote: > >> I think your moniker is well-deserved - "masters" of the list is very >> cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from this list saw fit to >> speak to my employer or attack me personally via telephone or snail mail, >> I'd see fit to go over to knock on their door and have it out with them. I >> come from a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend to >> see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if necessary, and >> sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't think anyone here would do that, >> though. Maybe I'm "naive geek", but I'm not worrying about it. >> >> IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers. >> >> Signature will soon be gone. >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> JR >> >> On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek <cynicalg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it >>> hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other >>> people just doesn't make any sense to me. But....whatever. >>> >>> You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. >>> However, after seeing how a lot of the "masters" of this list treat the >>> readers of the list, I'll never do it. The "masters" find enjoyment in >>> berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it >>> past some or the "masters" to actually look somebody up and either A) call >>> a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) in >>> real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. >>> >>> This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that >>> goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not >>> using my real name. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend >>>> to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those >>>> are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people >>>> with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? >>>> Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, >>>> either. >>>> >>>> Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin >>>> trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to >>>> use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. >>>> >>>> Community is built when people "know" who their peers are. >>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek <cynicalg...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>>> #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and >>>>> last name. >>>>> >>>>> #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long >>>>> signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users not >>>>> to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. >>>>> >>>>> #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the >>>>> community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list >>>>> NOTHING and improve the service of the list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 1 demerit for you sir! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers >>>>>>> tonight sir. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv >>>>>>>> provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been >>>>>>>> completed >>>>>>>> with references included! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger < >>>>>>>> gary.slin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a cleartext >>>>>>>>> real-world name, that would be a good thing also. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------Original Message------ >>>>>>>>> From: cynicalg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>>>> ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: list delays >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' >>>>>>>>> email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries <nt...@hedgedigger.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed >>>>>>>>> or ditch lyris. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! >>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > --- >>>>>>>>> > To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>>>> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>>>> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! 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~ >>>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -cynicalgeek- >>>>> cynicalgeek<at>gmail.com >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>> >>>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! 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