Don't make me stop this car. Because I will and you can just sit there until you learn to behave.
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com>wrote: > Aww, but dad, we were having so much fun! > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Doug Hampshire <dhampsh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I disconcur (unconcur, misconcur?) Over my also very long association >> with this and other techie lists (especially Peter's old Exchange list) >> I've found many, many things being taken offlist. Of course IIRC almost all >> of those things have involved consuming copious amount of adult beverages >> (and yes, we have actually caused certain bars to run out of specific >> brands of said beverages). Some of those offlist contacts have become >> lifelong friends (even unto death, RIP JRH, Mr. Houge, and Mr. Southworth). >> I've also worked with many of the same people either directly (various list >> members have worked for me before) or via various consulting arrangements. >> >> That being said, there are no "masters" here. There is no secret cabal. >> I've only seen personal types of comments when A) they are actually good >> friends with the person and are just yanking their chain, or B) that person >> has been such a douche bag that it appears that it's the only way to get >> them to listen (most still don't). >> >> Being a "real" person here has had a significant impact on my personal >> and professional life. If you think how you conduct yourself on some techie >> list doesn't matter, you are sadly mistaken. The good news is pretty much >> everyone I've personally encountered here and on other tech lists (probably >> 50-75 people) are very forgiving and welcoming people. My recommendation is >> to be a Real Person (tm) and consider the feedback people give you. It also >> helps if you buy a round when you do meet list members in person. (For >> those that are not adept at grasping the scope of my advice here, I'm NOT >> speaking to Mr. Harris. I'm addressing multiple other offenders here. I >> just happened to pick his message to reply to.) >> >> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Jon Harris <jk.har...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> In all my years on this list I have never heard of anyone taking >>> anything beyond the list unless it was a comment that did not belong on the >>> list being sent directly to the email address of the subscribed individual >>> usually then it help of some kind not attacks. >>> >>> BTW I go back to about 97 or 98 so that is a LONG time. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin <kz2...@googlemail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> I think your moniker is well-deserved - "masters" of the list is very >>>> cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from this list saw fit to >>>> speak to my employer or attack me personally via telephone or snail mail, >>>> I'd see fit to go over to knock on their door and have it out with them. I >>>> come from a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend to >>>> see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if necessary, and >>>> sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't think anyone here would do that, >>>> though. Maybe I'm "naive geek", but I'm not worrying about it. >>>> >>>> IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers. >>>> >>>> Signature will soon be gone. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> JR >>>> >>>> On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek <cynicalg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to ignore it >>>>> hundreds or thousands of times when it's including in replies by other >>>>> people just doesn't make any sense to me. But....whatever. >>>>> >>>>> You know I've considered using my real name on here several times. >>>>> However, after seeing how a lot of the "masters" of this list treat the >>>>> readers of the list, I'll never do it. The "masters" find enjoyment in >>>>> berating and personally attacking readers of the list. I wouldn't put it >>>>> past some or the "masters" to actually look somebody up and either A) call >>>>> a list member's employer to complain, or B) personally attack (verbally) >>>>> in >>>>> real life over the phone, via snail mail, etc. >>>>> >>>>> This list is still useful but there is a lot of unprofessionalism that >>>>> goes on that has nothing to do with my 'cynicalgeek' email address not >>>>> using my real name. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link < >>>>> jonathan.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's pretty easy to ignore a signature. It's also funny, so I tend >>>>>> to give it a pass. I've seen worse signatures with huge pictures, those >>>>>> are pretty objectionable. The list members have come down hard on people >>>>>> with huge graphics and whatnot in their signature. Is Mr Rankin's long? >>>>>> Yeah, but it's text and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention, >>>>>> either. >>>>>> >>>>>> Turning this on its head. If you expect the courtesy of Mr. Rankin >>>>>> trimming his signature, why is it unreasonable for someone to ask you to >>>>>> use your real name? Or at least use an alias that appears legitimate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Community is built when people "know" who their peers are. >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek >>>>>> <cynicalg...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use my real first and >>>>>>> last name. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should munge the long >>>>>>> signature, I should have said that list owners should gently ask users >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> to use signatures that are incredibly long and useless. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions that would help the >>>>>>> community of this list...solutions that would cost members of the list >>>>>>> NOTHING and improve the service of the list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1 demerit for you sir! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris >>>>>>>> <jk.har...@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now someone is either dreaming or you have had way too many beers >>>>>>>>> tonight sir. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And while were at it, posts will only accepted by the listserv >>>>>>>>>> provided they contain the appropriate amount of research has been >>>>>>>>>> completed >>>>>>>>>> with references included! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary Slinger < >>>>>>>>>> gary.slin...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Equally, if it purged everyone that doesn't post with a >>>>>>>>>>> cleartext real-world name, that would be a good thing also. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------Original Message------ >>>>>>>>>>> From: cynicalg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>>>>>> ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: list delays >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mar 13, 2012 23:28 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally I think if the LISTSERV would munge James Rankins' >>>>>>>>>>> email signature on demand we would all be better off. ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Bill Humphries < >>>>>>>>>>> nt...@hedgedigger.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > wow. 4 hour delays on postings. really, this should be fixed >>>>>>>>>>> or ditch lyris. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource >>>>>>>>>>> hog! ~ >>>>>>>>>>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> >>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > --- >>>>>>>>>>> > To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>>>>>> > or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>>>>>> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! >>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! >>>>>>>>>>> ~ >>>>>>>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>>>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -cynicalgeek- >>>>>>> cynicalgeek<at>gmail.com >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -cynicalgeek- >>>>> cynicalgeek<at>gmail.com >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>>> >>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com >>>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put >>>> into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not >>>> able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke >>>> such a question." >>>> >>>> ****** IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER ***** >>>> >>>> This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is >>>> addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to >>>> you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to >>>> you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then >>>> you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a >>>> mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and >>>> destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). 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