And I suppose you think you're being acute... -- Espi
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: > Don't be obtuse. I made no recommendation with my statement. > > If you're looking for options, I recommend fully formed but easy to type > sentences of at least 20 characters. If they must be written down, advise > your clients to keep them in their wallets. > > Kurt > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 16:51, Mack Bolan <mack.bola...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> So that makes sticky notes ok? >> >> Mack S. Bolan >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Perhaps you might want to rethink your threat model: >>> >>> http://www.darkreading.com/database-security/167901020/security/attacks-breaches/232601717/new- >>> verizon-breach-data-shows-outside-threat-dominated-2011.html >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 13:50, Doug Hampshire <dhampsh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Are you sure about that? The vast majority of security incidents happen >>>> on the inside of your network from known individuals. Also it was >>>> addressing offline brute force attacks. Most online systems have lockout >>>> policies and other countermeasures to limit exposure to brute force >>>> attacks. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Crawford, Scott <crawfo...@evangel.edu >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd rather have "good" passwords written down on a sticky note >>>>> accessible only to a limited number of coworkers than "bad" passwords that >>>>> can be exploited by any black-hat on the internet. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Windows Phone >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> From: Heaton, Joseph@DFG >>>>> Sent: 3/15/2012 11:07 AM >>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>>>> Subject: RE: Worth some consideration... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wait… I’m NOT supposed to write my password on a sticky note? How >>>>> am I supposed to let my coworker use my login, then? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joe Heaton >>>>> >>>>> ITB – Windows Server Support >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:49 AM >>>>> *To:* Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Worth some consideration... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's an implementation problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If I choose a passphrase of "Mary had a little lamb" then of course >>>>> that will be relatively weak as passphrases go. That that is not an >>>>> inherent weakness of passphrases, but of people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lots of things are undermined by poor choices. Completely random 20 >>>>> character passwords with a unicode character set are undermined by having >>>>> them posted on sticky notes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We didn't need a whole article to point that out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *ASB* >>>>> >>>>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* >>>>> >>>>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/03/passphrases-only-marginally-more-secure-than-passwords-because-of-poor-choices.ars >>>>> >>>>> By Dan Goodin >>>>> Ars Technica >>>>> March 14, 2012 >>>>> >>>>> Passwords that contain multiple words aren't as resistant as some >>>>> researchers expected to certain types of cracking attacks, mainly >>>>> because users frequently pick phrases that occur regularly in everyday >>>>> speech, a recently published paper concludes. >>>>> >>>>> Security managers have long regarded passphrases as an >>>>> easy-to-remember way to pack dozens of characters into the string that >>>>> must be entered to access online accounts or to unlock private >>>>> encryption keys. The more characters, the thinking goes, the harder it >>>>> is for attackers to guess or otherwise crack the code, since there are >>>>> orders of magnitude more possible combinations. >>>>> >>>>> But a pair of computer scientists from Cambridge University has found >>>>> that a significant percentage of passphrases used in a real-world >>>>> scenario were easy to guess. Using a dictionary containing 20,656 >>>>> phrases of movie titles, sports team names, and other proper nouns, >>>>> they were able to find about 8,000 passphrases chosen by users of >>>>> Amazon's now-defunct PayPhrase system. That's an estimated 1.13 >>>>> percent of the available accounts. The promise of passphrases' >>>>> increased entropy, it seems, was undone by many users' tendency to >>>>> pick phrases that are staples of the everyday lexicon. >>>>> >>>>> "Our results suggest that users aren't able to choose phrases made of >>>>> completely random words, but are influenced by the probability of a >>>>> phrase occurring in natural language," researchers Joseph Bonneau and >>>>> Ekaterina Shutova wrote in the paper (PDF), which is titled >>>>> "Linguistic properties of multi-word passphrases." 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