[1] Log on as an administrator, open task manager, make sure show all
processes is ticked and then on the users tab right click the user and
select log off.

James.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 3:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

You would be correct if we were talking laptops or tablets for individual
users.

But I'm talking about labs of computers for students. Every 50 minutes, a
new set of users must come in and they expect to get to their files and
settings.

For this reason, the simple action of logging off needs to be simple.
Microsoft has chosen, in their infinite wisdom, to make this process
difficult. Maybe not difficult for you or I, but it's not obvious to the
layperson. Here are some possible scenarios:

1) Users don't log off. This causes either A) the session to be locked,
making it impossible to login[1] or B) let the next student see/screw with
the last user's data. Oh, I guess I could C) allow multiple log in sessions,
but this is not ideal.

2) Users share desktops. If you can't log off, just stay logged in!
Everybody can use the same desktop and home folder then. (Again, not ideal.)

It's not that I'm against Windows 8's DCIM interface. I'm not all that
thrilled by it, but I see where they are going. I see the benefit on
smaller, more mobile devices. (Which, oddly, Microsoft hasn't been focusing
on. Where is the 7" RT Tablet?) I am hopeful that Microsoft can make a few
changes that will make it much more friendly on both Touch and Desktop
interfaces.

But until they do, we won't be adopting it.

[1] As a side rant: Why can't Windows allow an administrator to force a
logoff of a locked account locally on a machine? This was possible in XP.
Starting with Vista, the only way an administrator could locally logoff a
locked machine was to force a power down.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


----- Original Message -----
From: Rod Trent
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012
06:43:44 -0800
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC


> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never 
> meant to be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are
moving beyond?
> 
>  
> 
> From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> "You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
> and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware 
> enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told 
> it to do (Power Settings)"
> 
>  
> 
> How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we 
> couldn't use the power button to turn a device off that now being able 
> to do so seems weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to 
> turn the Windows device off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just
one sentence can make.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates 
> instead of the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I 
> demonstrated to users that the Start Page is just where their Start 
> Button went to they were totally onboard. It is a total mind shift 
> (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you make that shift it 
> is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, what I was 
> told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once you 
> think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever 
> it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want 
> to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now 
> hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does 
> whatever you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some 
> environments where the power button is not accessible, but for the 
> majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast!
Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
> 
> Tim
> 
>  
> 
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in 
> our environment.
> 
>  
> 
> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Don Guyer
> Catholic Health East - Information Technology
> 
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> 
>  
> 
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern 
> UI), you practically run in desktop mode anyway.
> 
>  
> 
> From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or 
> leaving it as-is and learning new tricks?
> 
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
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