Yeah - we're learning the lessons of the mainframe world all over again... On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And to be quite honest, I believe that's the one of the biggest problems in > all of systems administration. We simply do not take the time (or what > appears to be have the time) to look at the big picture. The Limoncelli > book and the Visible Ops book that I suggested earlier help with that > process. That big picture (IMHO) identifies the process on how to stop > putting out the fires. If they don't happen, no need to put them out. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 10:08 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > > > Subject: Re: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly.... > > That's the beauty of the Limoncelli book. It is system/product > agnostic. It's not an ITIL howto, it's instead an education for a > sysadmin, which will complement any efforts at standardization. > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > IMHO, being a good sys admin has nothing to do with a particular system. > > Being hardware/software agnostic is probably best, but understanding > policy, > > procedure and best practices are a best bet overall. Getting an > > understanding and then more than an understanding of ITSFM or ITIL is in > > EVERY sys admin's best interest. > > > > > > > > Rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 9:11 AM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly.... > > > > > > > > "If you don't test for it - it's going to fail on you, and you won't know > > it." Exactly my point, shouldn't this stuff be monitored already? It > > shouldn't matter whether your patching or not, the stuff should be > monitored > > in-between patching periods anyway. > > > > > > > > Kurt - The Practice of System and Network Administration.I've never heard > of > > that (welcome to my OJT world). This changes the subject, but seems > fitting. > > > > > > > > My last "real" training - after getting the little CNA cert in 1995 - was > a > > couple of Windows NT courses at New Horizons, everything else has been > > self-taught - but I'm the kind that needs the formal stuff to fill in > blanks > > I'm surely missing. My point is, not being college trained on Systems > > Administration I'm not surprised I didn't know about this book. Sure I > have > > 13 years of administration under my belt, but I'd like be more informed > > about how to be more systematic about the things I do. This book looks > like > > a good start. I'm fortysomething and perhaps should finally become a real > > System Administrator instead of wingin' it. What other books would you > guys > > recommend? > > > > > > > > I think Server 2008 has enough changes that I should certainly attend some > > training on that, I get the feel my company will miss out on the > advantages > > unless someone knows it real well and points it out.. > > > > > > > > Sorry to ramble, > > > > Dave Lum - Systems Engineer > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 > > "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:53 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: RE: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly.... > > > > > > > > Yeah, you do. > > > > > > > > Just because the DC reboots, is it serving requests through LDAP on all > > interfaces? Or did one of those patches break multi-homed LDAP? (True > story > > - it happened.) > > > > > > > > Just because the GC reboots, it is serving requests through LDAP and is > the > > NSPI interface initialized? (Without it, Exchange and older Outlook > clients > > won't work.) > > > > > > > > Just because the exchange server reboots, did the IMAP service start? > > > > > > > > Is RPC/HTTP working? Is the store listening on port 6004? Can you open a > > mailbox? Can you authenticate? > > > > > > > > If a client can use it, you need to test it. > > > > > > > > I read this somewhere today (and copied it into my "think about pad"): > > > > > > > > Think differently about policy > > > > If...it isn't built into process > > you have to search for it > > it isn't auto-enforced ....it may as well not exist > > > > Systems verify and enforce policy > > > > > > > > > > I didn't write down the source (my bad). If you don't test for it - it's > > going to fail on you, and you won't know it. There is nothing worse than a > > client calling you to tell you that one of your systems are down and you > > didn't already know it. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Michael B. Smith > > > > MCSE/Exchange MVP > > > > http://TheEssentialExchange.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 5:26 PM > > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: If you're monitoring your servers thoroughly.... > > > > > > > > .do you need to really check anything after patching and rebooting? I > would > > think if you're already monitoring all the services, shares, disk space, > > event logs, data stores, etc then patch and reboot wouldn't require much > > testing per se. For DC's you could even automate a DCDIAG on every restart > > and have the results shot out, right? > > > > > > > > This is a rose colored glasses look, but wondered if anyone actually pulls > > this one off. > > > > > > > > Dave Lum - Systems Engineer > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (971)-222-1025 > > "When you step on the brakes your life is in your foot's hands" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~ > > > ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~ >
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