hehe....I still do it the hardcore NT4 way - but I use a GPO to achieve it.
I clearly need to move into the 21st century. i didn't even know that GP setting existed. Cheers, 2010/1/14 Miller Bonnie L. <[email protected]> > Have you considered removing the security tab via gpo? We use this for > students. > > > > \User configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows > Explorer > > Remove Security Tab > > > > -Bonnie > > > > *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 6:28 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Users Setting NTFS Permissions > > > > That's an interesting point, I forgot about the cumulative effects of share > and NTFS permissions. I always leave the share permissions as Everyone:Full > so that everything is controlled by NTFS. It's one less place to look when > you are troubleshooting an access issue. > > I might run some tests on the combination of share and NTFS and see if it > works any different. > > 2010/1/14 Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> > > What share rights do your users have? > > If your users have share rights of CHANGE and only administrators have > share rights of FULL CONTROL, this problem should be averted, as the > combination of file & share perms would prevent the problem being addressed > here. > > *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker> > *Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership* > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:57 AM, James Rankin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It behaves exactly the same (for me anyway) after the permissions are > removed - creating user is named as owner on the security tab and has the > appropriate permissions rights to go with it. And after setting the owner > with subinacl. Digging around in all this is making me glad I've set the > security tab to hidden. I'm considering running the subinacl command as a > scheduled task as well, as I can see multiple owners on parts of my data > structure. > > > > 2010/1/13 <[email protected]> > > What about users who create folders after the permissions are removed? > > You have to do it from the very beginning, or manually reset the perms > after the fact as Jonathan has indicated earlier. > > There is a special set of rights that are implicitly granted, but the > removal of Creator/Owner should address that. > > I'll test it later today to verify. > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------------------------------ > > *From: *James Rankin <[email protected]> > > *Date: *Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:16:07 +0000 > > *To: *NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > > *Subject: *Re: Users Setting NTFS Permissions > > > > Hmmm....I've removed it and it is still listing users who have created > folders as the owner. It's definitely not on the ACL... > > 2010/1/13 <[email protected]> > > Creator/Owner is inherited and can be removed easily enough. Far easier > to maintain. > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > ------------------------------ > > *From: *James Rankin <[email protected]> > > *Date: *Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:20:52 +0000 > > *To: *NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> > > *Subject: *Re: Users Setting NTFS Permissions > > > > I normally just give the groups RWXD, but the Creator Owner privilege > appears by default on newly created folders. Without removing the ability to > create folders and/or run subinacl scripts to take ownership, I find > removing the GUI to change the permissions is the easiest option. > > 2010/1/13 Jonathan Link <[email protected]> > > Isn't that just obfuscation? I thought the ability to change permissions > was granted by the Full Control right. If that's the case, pull > Creator/Owner Full control from your file system and reassign permissions > accordingly. > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 7:11 AM, James Rankin <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Prevent access to the rshx32.dll file on all your workstations and > servers to Administrators and System only. You can do this with a GPO. The > user can't access the security tab then and can't change permissions. Unless > they know how to use cacls. You could lock the permissions on that file as > well through Group Policy. > > 2010/1/13 Terri Esham <[email protected]> > > > > We have a Windows 2008 Domain whereby we control access to folders > stored on one of the domain controllers through Active Directory > groups. When a new folder is created on the network file server, we > grant full permissions to the associated active directory group with the > exception of the ability to set and change permissions. > > We just discovered that a user can grant permissions to any folder that > they create under the primary folder because they are the folder > owner. Obviously, I can change ownership to the domain admin, but how > in the world would I keep up with this. I've no idea when a user might > create a sub folder. I stumbled upon the problem because I found a > folder whereby a user had granted the everyone group full rights. I > knew none of the domain admins would do that. After talking with the > owner of the folder, I found out he's been doing it all along. > > Wow! This is a real problem for us because we want to control access > through groups. This one user had shared a bunch of folders using > individual names. 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