Online banking *is* a cloud service. You don't control it. It's not sitting on a server in your data center. You are utilizing a service provided by a vendor, most likely their infrastructure is hosted in a management facility somewhere. The data is transferred between several data centers most likely so that each branch has your up-to-date information. So, there's multiple levels of service providers in the mix.
See...that's where the disconnect is. The word "cloud" just surfaced because industry folks wanted a cool name for it. "Cloud" is a marketing term - nothing more. Now they've labeled "private cloud" and "public cloud". I think it's funny. A private cloud is nothing more than the corporate network. -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots) I only use gmail for my personal email, and even then I don't trust highly sensitive information to it. I would not use it for business or other sensitive email, unless I had end-to-end encryption. Online banking had better *not* be a cloud service. It had better be a set of server over which my bank maintains very tight control - if I learn otherwise, my money goes elsewhere. Kurt On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 05:09, Rod Trent <rodtr...@myitforum.com> wrote: > The Cloud is another one of those things that scares IT because it means > relinquishing a bit of control – or at least seems to. The “Cloud” has been > around for a long while, just without the actual name of “Cloud”. For > example, Gmail is a cloud service – so is online banking. There are 100’s > of things you use every day online and it’s all in the “Cloud”. We’re > comfortable with a few of these, but not the others? > > > > There are a lot of things that the IT business deals with now that would > make a perfect fit as a cloud service, that would a) save the company money, > b) make the end-user experience better, and c) make the IT experience > better. > > > > From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:51 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly > after the DC boots) > > > > "To cloud" or "not to cloud" may become another of the great back-and-forths > of the IT industry. We already have it between insourcing --> outsourcing > and thin-client --> fat-client. There's never any one-size-fits-all > solution. Often it is a back-and-forth between the two sides of the coin as > the needs, strategies and personnel of the business dictates. > > On 10 March 2010 12:46, Carl Houseman <c.house...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Cloud computing is just the next version of "outsourcing". So how did > outsourcing work out? Lately I'm hearing of companies insourcing jobs that > didn't do so well when outsourced. Learning experience achieved, albeit at > great expense. But will this new-found knowledge stick, and will it be > applied to similar situations in the future? > > As I said, over-enthusiastic execs at some companies will see the cloud as a > panacea for their problems and jump in before realizing it's not right for > them. I don't know that predicting that future here will help to make some > think twice, but I feel better for having said it. :) > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:37 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > > Subject: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after > the DC boots) > > For all its flaws, I don't see cloud computing as a passing fad. It's not > likely to go away, so the best we can do is to work to improve it. > > I can tell you that my own organization is a big fan of it. Why? Well, we're > a school district. Our core competency isn't the maintenance of complex IT > system. We don't have the staff with the knowledge to maintain such systems, > and we don't have the money to hire that staff. Our staffing levels have > actually shrunk due to budget cuts, while the number of various systems and > applications we're using is continuing to grow. Every new app means more > storage space, more backup job complexity, more hardware utilization, more > support requirements, more time troubleshooting, more time upgrading--the > list goes on and on. > > So what can we do? Outsource the maintenance of as many systems as possible > to companies who specialize in that type of work (so they can almost always > do it better than us) and who gain economies of scale (so they can almost > always do it cheaper than us). Put the app in the cloud, and let someone > else worry about things like backups, upgrades, and support. And having it > web-based has the added benefit of there being no client-side software for > us to have to worry about. > > Reliability hasn't been a factor for us with our cloud-based apps. Our > Internet connection is pretty reliable. If it goes down, we have alternate > means of connecting to our most critical apps. Security? Well, the best we > can do there is to have a good contract stipulating our requirements and the > consequences of security breaches. I'm the most advanced tech in our > organization, but I'm not a security expert--I'm a technology generalist, > not a specialist. That means these companies can handle security AT LEAST as > well as we can, and often better. > > It's not right for every organization and every application. But for us, > cloud computing offers significant benefits. We're leaning more and more on > it all the time. > > > > John Hornbuckle > MIS Department > Taylor County School District > www.taylor.k12.fl.us > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:36 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > Oh, yeah. > > Somehow, though, it seems to me as if 'the cloud' violates the CIA > triangle of security. > > At the very least, > > a) availability is compromised (if you don't have Internet > connectivity, among other things), > > b) integrity is compromised (new ways of breaking out of VMs to the > underlying host, and you don't know who you're sharing a physical host > with, not to mention issues with network traffic from the various VMs > on a physical host being sniffed.) > > Color me deeply skeptical. > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 17:34, Carl Houseman <c.house...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Seems the 'cloud' is the new buzzword for how we're going to increase >> profits next quarter. The cloud will save us! The cloud will reduce our >> expensive fixed costs! Has Dilbert done something on the cloud yet? If >> >> not, it's just a matter of time. >> >> >> >> From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:00 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots >> >> >> >> True, but I’ll use OpenDNS way before using Google or MS DNS servers… >> >> >> >> The cloud the cloud…everything is cloud around my office with exec’s >> …“SharePoint’s broke and we have no expertise here…move it to the cloud! >> Exchange, Live Communications Server, ship –‘em all out!” >> >> >> >> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:26 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots >> >> >> >> Not everyone wants to depend on DNS services 'in the cloud' even if >> they're >> free... > > NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. 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