So, what happened with the latest Google hack by the Chinese? This was a "cloud" hack by all appearances. Folks are still using gmail.
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots) A lawsuit that damages a specific organization will make the rest of the organizations and the customers of those organizations stand up and take notice of what they're doing. What, am I suggesting that some customers don't realize what they're doing? Or that some organizations providing services don't know what they're doing? How silly of me. Carl From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots) Lawsuits aren't going to kill the idea any more than lawsuits have killed the idea behind outsourcing helpdesk or desktop support or other IT services. A lawsuit *might* kill a specific organization, but that's a different kettle of fish. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kurt Buff <kurt.b...@gmail.com> wrote: Until the first lawsuit, or major hack. The cloud is *way* overrated - unless it's private. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 05:09, Martin Blackstone <mblackst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cloud is such a dirty word isn't it? But software as a service isn't. But it's almost the same thing right? How many companies have been using Salesforce or something similar? Welcome to the cloud. Welcome to software as a service. > If you look at something like Gmail, they actually have a government facility that is much more secured than what we get. For example that's where the LAPD lives. The city of LA gave up their entire email infrastructure to Google last year. > I'm saying get with the cloud before the cloud gets you. Your CFO will come to you eventually and tell you to get something in there and you better be ready to deal with it. HOW you deal with it may depend on how you and your department survives. $50 a year for a mailbox is pretty freaking attractive to a guy that has to watch every penny and that's the bottom line when it comes to the top line. Everyone and I mean everyone says "Our email, our data, our whatever is too sensitive to put in the cloud", and I would be 95% of us are wrong, and there are some very secure cloud locations out there. You just have to find them. > > You guys better be ready to get with the program. Our jobs depend on it. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:37 AM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Cloud Computing (Was: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots) > > For all its flaws, I don't see cloud computing as a passing fad. It's not likely to go away, so the best we can do is to work to improve it. > > I can tell you that my own organization is a big fan of it. Why? Well, we're a school district. Our core competency isn't the maintenance of complex IT system. We don't have the staff with the knowledge to maintain such systems, and we don't have the money to hire that staff. Our staffing levels have actually shrunk due to budget cuts, while the number of various systems and applications we're using is continuing to grow. Every new app means more storage space, more backup job complexity, more hardware utilization, more support requirements, more time troubleshooting, more time upgrading--the list goes on and on. > > So what can we do? Outsource the maintenance of as many systems as possible to companies who specialize in that type of work (so they can almost always do it better than us) and who gain economies of scale (so they can almost always do it cheaper than us). Put the app in the cloud, and let someone else worry about things like backups, upgrades, and support. And having it web-based has the added benefit of there being no client-side software for us to have to worry about. > > Reliability hasn't been a factor for us with our cloud-based apps. Our Internet connection is pretty reliable. If it goes down, we have alternate means of connecting to our most critical apps. Security? Well, the best we can do there is to have a good contract stipulating our requirements and the consequences of security breaches. I'm the most advanced tech in our organization, but I'm not a security expert--I'm a technology generalist, not a specialist. That means these companies can handle security AT LEAST as well as we can, and often better. > > It's not right for every organization and every application. But for us, cloud computing offers significant benefits. We're leaning more and more on it all the time. > > > > John Hornbuckle > MIS Department > Taylor County School District > www.taylor.k12.fl.us > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:36 PM > To: NT System Admin Issues > Subject: Re: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots > > Oh, yeah. > > Somehow, though, it seems to me as if 'the cloud' violates the CIA triangle of security. > > At the very least, > > a) availability is compromised (if you don't have Internet connectivity, among other things), > > b) integrity is compromised (new ways of breaking out of VMs to the underlying host, and you don't know who you're sharing a physical host with, not to mention issues with network traffic from the various VMs on a physical host being sniffed.) > > Color me deeply skeptical. > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 17:34, Carl Houseman <c.house...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Seems the 'cloud' is the new buzzword for how we're going to increase >> profits next quarter. The cloud will save us! The cloud will reduce >> our expensive fixed costs! Has Dilbert done something on the cloud >> yet? If >> >> not, it's just a matter of time. >> >> >> >> From: David Lum [mailto:david....@nwea.org] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 5:00 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots >> >> >> >> True, but I'll use OpenDNS way before using Google or MS DNS servers. >> >> >> >> The cloud the cloud.everything is cloud around my office with exec's >> ."SharePoint's broke and we have no expertise here.move it to the cloud! >> Exchange, Live Communications Server, ship -'em all out!" >> >> >> >> From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 1:26 PM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> Subject: RE: DNS Server service shuts down shortly after the DC boots >> >> >> >> Not everyone wants to depend on DNS services 'in the cloud' even if >> they're free... > > > > NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. 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