Unless, of course, the horse, of course... On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Ralph Smith <m...@gatewayindustries.org>wrote:
> I don't disagree, but when you are presented with information you have to > evaluate the validity of the data, and hopefully get clarification from > those involved when it implies that there may be a problem. Virus Bulletin > actually warned in the explanation of the chart that it was just one result > and that conclusions shouldn't be jumped to until there was more data. > > And sometimes, a horse is just a horse, of course. > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:39 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > My point was really that all AV vendors have experience FPs, not just > Vipre. > > > > I agree that statistics can be a valuable tool, it’s just that which ones > you choose and how you present them can be misleading. For example, in a > horse race between the US and Russia, the US horse won. In the American > papers, it was reported that the US was took first place. In the Russian > papers, it was reported that the US was next to last and that Russia was > second place. The statistics reported in both cases were true, but the > picture they gave of the race was very different. > > > > *From:* Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:08 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > > > True, but there were people on the VIPRE forum that were hit just as hard > by a couple of the FPs that VIPRE had. I’m not knocking VIPRE at all – I > like it a lot and would purchase it again with no hesitation. > > > > However, when a well known organization like Virus Bulletin publishes test > results, it makes sense to look at the data and try to understand what it > means and how it may impact your organization. I personally feel confident > with Sunbelt, but I would be interested to understand how they interpret the > chart and what they feel the implications are for their product. > > > > By the way, some lies may be statistics, but not all statistics are lies. > Information, including statistical, is the basis for sound decision making. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2010 2:28 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > > > How about a little perspective on false positives? > > > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-20003074-83.html > > > > and a reminder about statistics from Mark Twain: > > “there’s 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics” > > > > > > *From:* Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:20 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* RE: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > > > I’ve had VIPRE for a couple of years now, and was fortunately not hit hard > with the false positive problems others have had. With about 180 Win XP > machines, I’ve had only a half dozen infections in that time – all but one > of the rogue AV kind, so I have been feeling pretty good. > > > > However, the chart that was linked to is a bit worrying – the only popular > business class AV solution that scored worse was CA (my former solution), > and most of the others – McAfee, ESET, Kaspersky, Sophos to name a few – > show significantly better results. > > > > It would be interesting to hear a comment from Sunbelt – a little > reassurance needed here. :-) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:48 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Vipre effectiveness & false positives > > > > I don't know what you have now, but I can tell you from experience at > various client sites over the last year or so, none of the following was > without issues : Trend, McAfee, Symantec SAV & SEP > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Carl Houseman <c.house...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > For all of you staunch Vipre supporters, I'm just wondering, are you still > so staunch given the various false positives over the past year? It seems > like I remember reading here about one every quarter or so, and I can > confirm at least 3 since (from online records and messages I didn't delete) > since June 2009. And how many of you have had to deal with infections > despite having an up-to-date Vipre? > > > > Issue I'm debating is a switch from another product to Vipre, and even > though the price is very good, I'm looking at the Virusbtn RAP quadrant ( > http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/rap-index.xml) with a very poor showing for > "Sunbelt". Including the false positives and cost of switching, it doesn't > add up to a good choice. At least if the protection was much better, then > the occasional false positive might be justified. Is there any 3rd party > comparison or statistic that gives Vipre a better than average result? > > > > I'm not looking for endorsements or praise for their tech support – heard > that all before. But if you've had Vipre on 10 seats or more and have kept > track of live infections after a year or longer, and effort to avoid or > recover from false positives, that would be great to know. Please include > total number of seats in any report. > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > * * > > *Confidentiality Notice:* > > ******************** > > *This communication, including any attachments, may contain confidential > information and is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is > addressed. Any review, dissemination, or copying of this communication by an > yone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. 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