That is one my least favorite metaphors. On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Don Ely <don....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, that really grinds my nuts... However, I've heard some places have > forced Oracle to support their DB and Apps on VMware in order to get the > business... > > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Steven M. Caesare > <scaes...@caesare.com>wrote: > >> And then there’s Oracle who _*WILL*_ support their database in a VM. >> >> >> >> Provided it’s THEIR hypervisor, which AFAIK nobody on the planet uses. >> >> >> >> -sc >> >> >> >> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:45 AM >> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues >> *Subject:* Re: Small server >> >> >> >> Yep. Because they are afraid of the implications. >> >> >> >> I've even had vendors tell me that when their internal tech folks are >> running the app in VMs. >> >> >> >> *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker> >> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* >> * * >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Jonathan Link <jonathan.l...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> A lot of vendors say that about their apps. Some of our apps aren't >> supported in VM's, either. I still call them when I have problems, and they >> still fix the problems. In no case has virtualization been a problem. In >> one case, I had a rep remote into my session to assist, he never knew it was >> a VM. >> >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, John Aldrich < >> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote: >> >> Ok. Back to the drawing board. I emailed Kronos support and they say >> that >> TKC is NOT supported on virtual server. :-( I suppose I could lie to them >> and create a virtual server and install it there anyway, but it may be >> better to just either switch to a different time and attendance product or >> buy a physical server. :-( >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:56 AM >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> Subject: Re: Small server >> >> And why the hate for Software RAID? Let me be more specific: What is your >> definition of "Software RAID"? >> >> Window's built in RAID capabilities? (100% Software RAID) >> ...or... >> Inexpensive "Host RAID"? These are usually built into chipsets or cheap >> RAID >> cards. (Mostly software) >> >> If we're talking Window's built in software RAID, I would agree: Avoid at >> all costs. I have not had much experience with it, but the little I did >> have >> was disappointing... Not to mention the general dislike by the tech >> community of MS's RAIDs. >> >> The Host RAIDs are hit and miss, mostly miss. I have had good experience >> with Intel's RAID chipsets, but usually not for anything more than a RAID >> 1. >> The recent "Matrix RAID" chipsets from intel have been excellent. Also, >> the >> overhead from running a Host Raid is not as bad as it used to be. Hard >> drive >> speeds have increased, but not at the scale of CPU power. So for a "small >> server" like what John asked, I would definitely consider it. >> >> But if a real RAID solution was only $100 more, I'd skip Host RAID and go >> for it. But we all know most real hardware RAIDs are not that cheap. It >> all >> depends on what you're willing to spend. >> >> Now, if we were talking Linux, I'd be recommending software RAID over >> everything but the highest-end RAID controllers. >> >> >> --Matt Ross >> Ephrata School District >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Erik Goldoff >> [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] >> >> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] >> Sent: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 >> 07:19:00 -0700 >> Subject: Re: Small server >> >> >> > curious, why do you shun SATA ? >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:14 AM, James Kerr <cluster...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Kind of important software. I would make sure the server was hardware >> > RAID1 >> > > with 2 hot swap SAS drives NOT SATA at a minimum just for the >> redundancy. >> > No >> > > software RAID. Whats wrong with SCSI? >> > > >> > > James >> > > >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Aldrich" < >> > > jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> >> > > To: "NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:08 AM >> > > Subject: RE: Small server >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Sorry. I guess I should have specified this is for Kronos Time Keeper >> > > Central. >> > > >> > > Server hardware requirements are very basic. It has to be capable of >> > > running >> > > Windows 2000. It's not a very resource-intensive software. It's got a >> > small >> > > DB and has to be capable of allowing multiple people to access it over >> the >> > > network (via "client" software loaded on their machine) The machine >> that's >> > > currently running the time and attendance software is a P4 2.8Ghz with >> 2 >> > > Gig >> > > of RAM running Windows 2000. My main problem is that it's running off >> a >> > > single HDD, and a SCSI drive at that. >> > > Cut/paste from the system requirements document: >> > > 750 Mhz+ 1 Gigabyte NT4 , 2000 Server 2003 Server 1 Gigabyte >> > > Free disk space. >> > > >> > > As you can see it's very basic requirements. TKC has not been updated >> in >> a >> > > LONG time and probably won't be updated ever again. I spoke with a >> support >> > > engineer, and he said that he's seen it running on Windows XP, but >> that's >> > > not supported, as XP is not a "server" O/S, which is required for >> multiple >> > > clients accessing the machine at one time. >> > > >> > > Thanks... Hope this answers your questions WRT system requirements. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> > > From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:59 AM >> >> >> >> > > >> > > To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> > > Subject: RE: Small server >> >> >> > > >> > > Once again you give us absolutely no app requirements. >> > > >> > > Therefore the answer is: maybe. >> > > >> > > -sc >> > > >> >> > > From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] >> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:55 AM >> > > To: NT System Admin Issues >> > > Subject: Small server >> > > >> > > I am looking at getting a small server running Windows Server 2003, so >> I >> > > can >> > > have my time and attendance running on a supported O/S. Looking at >> Dell's >> > > Premier site, the least expensive option only offers a Software RAID5, >> > > unless I'm mis-reading the options. Would you guys rather have a >> Hardware >> > > RAID0 / RAID1 or a software RAID5? >> > > >> > > Any other options I should be looking at for a small server? 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