Yup,
And FF is prohibitively expensive in small environments, but it is my favorite.
Most reliable I have ever used, _never_ had an FP or a dead machine or a bad 
dat. Its detection rates aren't quite as good as the top guys but you 
compromise I guess.

Right now, I am keen on Sophos for the multiplatform agent. Their console 
appears ok, it appears their agent is an exe so the method they use to install 
the agent by GPO is a startup scrip, not cool:(

Avira has a Postfix compatible MTA product and a Squid compatible (by ICAP) 
product which is cool. I like how they don't distinguish clients (file servers 
vs. desktops in licensing terms). I have yet to see their console though.

Thanks for everything guys,
jlc

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 4:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: AV Opinions

Or Vipre, because Joseph has already indicated that he's familiar with them.   
He's looking for other recommendations...



ASB



On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Ryan Finnesey 
<ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com<mailto:ryan.finne...@harrierinvestments.com>>
 wrote:
No one as commented on the Forefront products.


From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com<mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:04 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AV Opinions

We thought their management sucked too.  Their SALES management, that is.  :)

From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net<mailto:rz...@qwest.net>]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AV Opinions

We thought pretty much everything about their management sucked, including 
agents.

From: Alan Davies 
[mailto:adav...@cls-services.com<mailto:adav...@cls-services.com>]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 5:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AV Opinions

Hmmm ... my comments were more around the ability to manage/control agents than 
how nice the console was to use.  Also, on the additional functionality side, 
their local FW and software NAC components were very immature feature wise.  
Support varied - UK support a million times better than the out of hours US 
support!



a

________________________________
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net<mailto:rz...@qwest.net>]
Sent: 07 October 2010 12:42
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AV Opinions
That's interesting, because we absolutely hated McAfee and it's enterprise 
console, and couldn't wait to get rid of it.  We've ended up with significantly 
better coverage with Sophos than we ever did with McAfee.

From: Alan Davies 
[mailto:adav...@cls-services.com<mailto:adav...@cls-services.com>]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 2:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AV Opinions

Sophos seem to be excellent detection wise.  As for not detecting Conficker 
below, that'll have been another issue as there is no AV product out there that 
can't detect it.  If I had to guess, perhaps one host was infected and locked 
out AD, but all the Sophos alerts were from machines missing MS08-067 that were 
"getting infected" because the OS could not protect against it, but immediately 
cleaned by Sophos.  Certainly behaviour I've seen before.  You must patch 
Windows, AV can do everything on its own.

One negative comment about Sophos - they are still, in my opinion, very low 
down the pecking order in Enterprise Management.  They have a long, long way to 
catch up on McAfee and the like for agent management, alerting, mandatory 
policies, etc.  You can work around these things and it's a great AV product, 
but if you're a large, sensitive environment, it may frustrate you a little.  
Going from 7 to 9 didn't improve these grumbles much ...



a

________________________________
From: Ames Matthew B [mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com<mailto:mba...@qinetiq.com>]
Sent: 07 October 2010 08:12
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AV Opinions
We run Sophos here, and it seems to do a reasonable job.  Corporate IS got 
caught last year with their pants down after a departmental server without any 
AV on it (or seriously out of date - guess someone got a good telling off for 
that) managed to get Conficker.  Given we don't have a direct net connection to 
our deskstops or services network, they had not bothered to install the 
hotfixes to prevent this

For what ever reason Sophos did not detected it, and quite a few machines got 
infected, and a couple of thousand user accounts got locked out.  Took them a 
few days to get things under control - I wrote a little ldap tool to monitor 
the number of locked out user accounts :-)

Sophos is a bit of a memory hog (not sure how it compares to other versions), 
taking around 150MB (savservice.exe alone is taking 108MB on my machine 
currently).  We are currently using 7.6.20

tht,
Matt

________________________________
From: Jim Holmgren 
[mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com<mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com>]
Sent: 07 October 2010 01:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AV Opinions
Give Sophos a long look.  I firmly believe they are the best of breed that 
nobody seems to talk about.  They don't market to the non-corporate crowd, so 
that probably has something to do with it.  I asked this list and a few other 
resources when I was evaluating solutions.  I did not hear from a single person 
using Sophos that did not like it.

We are replacing Symantec with Sophos right now and it is going very well so 
far.

Sophos will sync with AD (if you want) to automatically protect computers when 
you add them.  It will remove Symantec cleanly (so far on about 25 test/pilot 
users it has been perfect) when pushing it out.  It includes device control 
(want to block USB storage devices...2-3 clicks and you are done), a NAC 
component, and a firewall.

It also includes clients for Mac/Linux and with each corporate license, you get 
a free at-home license.   NFI - just a very satisfied customer so far.

Jim



________________________________
From: Joseph L. Casale 
[mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com<mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>]
Sent: Wed 10/6/2010 7:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AV Opinions
At one of the shops that I look after, I have been asked to change the AV to 
something new and current.
Vipre and Forefront excluded (I know enough about those already), what else are 
you guys using that's good?

It's been a while since I looked at all the other vendors, I have such little 
time to eval for this need, I can't just download all vendors packages and 
trial each one for 30 days, I need to look at one and hopefully get it right:(

Thanks for any opinions,
jlc


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