Yes, I understand that. You aren't arguing degrees, you're arguing an extreme that any reasonable individual would agree with. My comment was inline with this email On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Rankin, James R <kz2...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> I had a home user recently showing all the signs of malware. I told him not > to use his pc till I could look at it. And he went and made a purchase with > his debit card. Against that sort of idiocy, we admins are doomed to fail. > > Very few things are so important that a home user can't wait to buy[1]. And then theres the added idiocy that they are using a debit card. Ignoring adivce from multiple professionals. My rates for that user have just gone up. [1] Medicine might be the one example, but typically that is also availble in a number of easily accessible locations. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> wrote: > It’s called degrees. > > > > There’s some situations where obviously you would use the computer. > > And at the other end of the scale, situations where you shouldn’t. > > And in between is some point at which the situation changes from one to the > other. For each person that point is different. > > > > Cheers > > Ken > > > > *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, 28 January 2011 11:16 AM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer' > > > > That wasn't even close to the situation presented. > > > > If someone's going to die because of something I have to do or not do, > well, then something's gone horribly wrong. > > Same for losing $100m dollars > > Same for $10m dollars > > Same for losing my job... These scenarios don't have any basis in a > rational discussion. If youre' going to argue at the extremes, then there > isn't any point to the discussion. > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Ken Schaefer <k...@adopenstatic.com> > wrote: > > Sometimes people do things because they weigh risks (rightly or wrongly) > and decide the risk is worth it. > > > > If someone told you not to use your PC, but someone was going to die unless > you authorised something, would you do it? > > What if it was your company losing $100m dollars (and then hundreds of > people getting fired?) > > What if it was $10m and dozens? > What if it were you losing your own job? > > Etc. > > > > Sometimes people have to get things done, and being unaware of the risks, > do it anyway. > > > > Cheers > > Ken > > > > *From:* Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, 28 January 2011 11:07 AM > > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > *Subject:* Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer' > > > > I don't call people idiots because they don't know how something works. But > if you don't then listen to someone who does. He didn't ask the to > understand anything, just the instruction not to use it, That shouldn't be > that hard. > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Shauna Hensala <she...@msn.com> wrote: > > I thought it was good - remarkably astute. We all know different things - > to classify someone as an idiot because they don't know the things you know > is a fallacy. Plus the sigh correlation was good for a chuckle! > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer' > > From: dangerw...@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 18:31:07 -0500 > To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > > > Sensitive as always. :) > > > > > > William J. Robbins > > Enterprise Infrastructure Operations > > Office of Information Management > > Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited > > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 18:25, "Gary Slinger" <gary.slin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > What a load of hippy crap. What part of "don't use that system" has to > be explained in kindergarten terms to a user? > > They're not "special", they're "idiots". > ------------------------------ > > *From: *Steven Peck <sep...@gmail.com> > > *Date: *Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:22:28 -0800 > > *To: *NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > > *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > > > *Subject: *Re: Intel developing security 'game-changer' > > > > We all have our share of special users. Those are interesting stories. > Some of us have our share of educational victories as well. Those that > learn after getting the right information after only one or two bad > experiences. > > For instance, I have this thing in my kitchen that makes things hot (my > wife calls it an oven). If I have a recipe that I follow I can get an > approximation of edible food. Sometimes I get lucky and it's really good, > other times it's merely a lesson in what doesn't work. In the cooking world > I am that 'special user'. Fortunately my wife does not mock me for it, > although I am beginning to suspect a correlation between my attempts to bake > and her loud sighs, I may have to chart the occurrences. > > For our special users (even our general ones), we must remember that people > learn differently and often we must craft our educational message to fit our > users ability to comprehend. Educating people on social engineering is a > rather time consuming task. Lot's to be learned from the advertising fields > in how to present the same overall message in different formats for user > consumption. > > Steven Peck > http://www.blkmtn.org > > On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Rankin, James R <kz2...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > > I had a home user recently showing all the signs of malware. I told him not > to use his pc till I could look at it. And he went and made a purchase with > his debit card. Against that sort of idiocy, we admins are doomed to fail. > Typed frustratingly slowly on my BlackBerry® wireless device > ------------------------------ > > *From: *David Lum <david....@nwea.org> > > *Date: *Thu, 27 Jan 2011 13:55:37 -0800 > > *To: *NT System Admin Issues<ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> > > *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com > > > > *Subject: *RE: Intel developing security 'game-changer' > > > > You mean I’m not supposed to enter my Visa number at a site that will give > me winning lottery numbers on an animated stripper card that includes a free > registry and spyware scan and install AntiVirus 2069? > > > > Who knew? > > > > Dave > > > > *From:* Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2011 1:46 PM > > *To:* NT System Admin Issues > > *Subject:* RE: Intel developing security 'game-changer' > > > > Well, since the vast majority of infections occur because of social > engineering, I don’t think it will mean much at all. > > > > An analogy might be DEP, which did make some difference – that was > something at the kernel. 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