On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Ralf Gommers <ralf.gomm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM, Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I realize this was probably brought up in the discussions about the scipy >> code of conduct which I have not looked at, but I’m troubled by the >> inclusion of “political beliefs” in the document. >> > > It was not brought up explicitly as far as I remember. > > >> See e.g. >> https://github.com/jupyter/governance/pull/5 >> > > That's about moving names around. I don't see any mention of political > beliefs? > Sorry about that, I elided the 6. This is the correct link: https://github.com/jupyter/governance/pull/56 > > >> As a thought experiment, what if someone’s political beliefs imply that >> other contributors are not deserving of human rights? Increasingly ideas >> like this are coming into the mainstream worldwide and I think this is a >> real concern that should be considered. >> > > There is a difference between having beliefs, and expressing those beliefs > in ways that offends others. I don't see any problem with saying that we > welcome anyone, irrespective of political belief. However, if someone > starts expressing things that are intolerant (like someone else not > deserving human rights) on any of our communication forums or in an > in-person meeting, that would be a clear violation of the CoC. Which can be > dealt with via the reporting and enforcement mechanism in the CoC. > > I don't see a problem here, but I would see a real problem with removing > the "political beliefs" phrase. > For another perspective on this issue see https://where.coraline.codes/blog/oscon/, where Coraline Ada describes her reasons for not speaking at OSCON this year due to a similar clause in the code of conduct. Cheers, > Ralf > > > >> >> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:25 PM Charles R Harris < >> charlesr.har...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 4:02 PM, Stefan van der Walt < >>> stef...@berkeley.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> A while ago, SciPy (the library) adopted its Code of Conduct: >>>> https://docs.scipy.org/doc/scipy/reference/dev/conduct/code_ >>>> of_conduct.html >>>> >>>> We worked hard to make that document friendly, while at the same time >>>> stating clearly the kinds of behavior that would and would not be >>>> tolerated. >>>> >>>> I propose that we adopt the SciPy code of conduct for NumPy as well. It >>>> is a good way to signal to newcomers that this is a community that cares >>>> about how people are treated. And I think we should do anything in our >>>> power to make NumPy as attractive as possible! >>>> >>>> If we adopt this document as policy, we will need to select a Code of >>>> Conduct committee, to whom potential transgressions can be reported. >>>> The individuals doing this for SciPy may very well be happy to do the >>>> same for NumPy, but the community should decide whom will best serve >>>> those roles. >>>> >>>> Let me know your thoughts. >>>> >>> >>> +1 from me. >>> >>> Chuck >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NumPy-Discussion mailing list >>> NumPy-Discussion@python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NumPy-Discussion mailing list >> NumPy-Discussion@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NumPy-Discussion mailing list > NumPy-Discussion@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion > >
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