Hi, On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Ondřej Čertík <ondrej.cer...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Matthew Brett <matthew.br...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:21 PM, Ondřej Čertík <ondrej.cer...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn >>> <d.s.seljeb...@astro.uio.no> wrote: >>>> On 02/07/2013 12:16 AM, Matthew Brett wrote: >>> [...] >>>>> Can you clarify the people you think will get stuck? I think I'm >>>>> right in saying that anyone with a C extension should be able to build >>>>> them against numpy, by installing the free (as-in-beer) MS tools? So >>>>> do you just mean people needing a Fortran compiler? That's a small >>>>> constituency, I think. >>>> >>>> Off the top of my head there's SciPy and pymc... >>>> >>>> Anyway, I'm butting in because I wish this discussion could separate >>>> between the user perspective and the developer perspective. >>>> >>>> FWIW, >>>> >>>> 1) From a user's perspective, I don't understand this either. If you are >>>> already using a closed source, not-free-as-in-beer operating system, why >>>> would you not use (or buy!) a closed source, not-free-as-in-beer Fortran >>>> compiler? >>> >>> Indeed. Though I really have no clue on the Windows use cases. Maybe >>> most Windows users don't want to compile anything, just >>> use numpy and scipy from Python? >> >> Well - yes - as a packager I really want to be able to provide a >> binary so my binary consumers don't have to have a C compiler >> installed. I imagine it's the same for all of us packagers out >> there. >> >>>> 2) BUT, the argument I've seen that I can at least understand is that >>>> the release manager should be able to do a release using only open >>>> source tools (even using Wine instead of Windows) and not rely on a >>>> limited number of licenses. And that the release manager must be able to >>>> perform all the official builds directly. >>> >>> As the release manager, I really only have two requirements: >>> >>> * I want to ssh in there from my Ubuntu >>> * I want to automate the whole process >>> >>> For Mac, linux and Wine I can do that. So I have just spend few hours >>> browsing the net and it looks like that the combination of Windows >>> PowerShell 2.0: >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_PowerShell >>> >>> and some SSH server, there are quite a few, one commercial but free >>> for one user one connection (perfect for me!): >>> >>> http://www.powershellinside.com/powershell/ssh/ >>> >>> So if I understand the pages correctly, I can login there from linux, >>> and then I use the PowerShell commands to script anything. It looks >>> like I can even use my Fabric fabfiles with powershell: >>> >>> https://gist.github.com/diyan/2850866 >>> >>> I can also use git with PowerShell: >>> >>> http://windows.github.com/ >>> http://haacked.com/archive/2011/12/13/better-git-with-powershell.aspx >>> >>> >>> So the final problem is how to execute MSVC and Fortran from Power >>> Shell on Windows. These links might help for MSVC: >>> >>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4398136/use-powershell-for-visual-studio-command-prompt >>> http://geekswithblogs.net/dwdii/archive/2011/05/20/automating-a-visual-studio-build-with-powershell---part-1.aspx >>> >>> Finally, for Intel Fortran + powershell: >>> >>> http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/topic/284425 >>> >>> >>> So I think it is all possible. If somebody can provide a machine with >>> Windows, MSVC, PowerShell2.0, SSH server and some Fortran compiler, it >>> should be possible for me to automate everything from Ubuntu using my >>> Fabric files (https://github.com/certik/numpy-vendor). >> >> Many many thanks for trying to solve this. I had really started to >> give up hope. >> >> I think you will need a developer's license for MKL for Numpy. Ralf - >> any ETA for those? >> >> I think I'm right in thinking you'll need a Fortran compiler for Scipy >> but not Numpy? Can we defer the Scipy build until after the Numpy >> build? >> >> I will try to get you set up with ssh on my Windows 7 machine in case >> you can use it. It has the MS tools. > > That would be amazing! If you can set me up with the Power Shell > and some ssh server, I'll start playing with this right away.
I've set up a Cygwin SSH server on the box, and powershell 2 comes with windows 7, I believe. At least, that's the version I'm getting. However, it's hard to run powershell scripts interactively via cygwin : http://hivearchive.com/2006/07/03/using-powershell-through-ssh/ http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2008-10/msg00393.html so you might need to debug the scripts interactively via remote desktop protocol and then run them non-interactively. Could you send me your ssh public key off list or give me a call to get set up? Thanks again, Matthew _______________________________________________ NumPy-Discussion mailing list NumPy-Discussion@scipy.org http://mail.scipy.org/mailman/listinfo/numpy-discussion
