Thaddeus, Yes, but then they'd most likely help us stop wrecking the planet. Or just butcher every one of us. I can't guess!
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Alexander Kettinen <[email protected]> wrote: > Humans kill because we are a predatory group of folks. That is why we > survived and climbed the food chain. > > As Jeff said in the interview, AI != robots. Think of AI as Siri in the > walls, rather than a army of robots looking for energy(why use solar or > thermal or nuclear energy when you can throw occams razor in the trash and > create elaborate virtual worlds for people to live in, instead of clone > them without brains) . > > Most people do not wake up with a burning desire to kill someone, we are > more interested in knowledge and experience. > > > > 2015-05-25 21:12 GMT+02:00 vlab <[email protected]>: > >> Small point: Even if they did decide that our diverse intelligence is >> worth keeping around (having not already mapped it into silicon) why would >> they need all of us. Surely 10% of the population would give them enough >> 'sample size' to get their diversity ration, heck maybe 1/10 of 1% would be >> enough. They may find that we are wasting away the planet (oh, not maybe, >> we are) and the planet would be more efficient and they could have more >> energy without most of us. (Unless we become 'copper tops' as in the >> Matrix movie). >> >> On 5/25/2015 2:40 PM, Fergal Byrne wrote: >> >> Matthew, >> >> You touch upon the right point. Intelligence which can self-improve >> could only come about by having an appreciation for intelligence, so it's >> not going to be interested in destroying diverse sources of intelligence. >> We represent a crap kind of intelligence to such an AI in a certain sense, >> but one which it itself would rather communicate with than condemn its >> offspring to have to live like. If these things appear (which looks >> inevitable) and then they kill us, many of them will look back at us as a >> kind of "lost civilisation" which they'll struggle to reconstruct. >> >> The nice thing is that they'll always be able to rebuild us from the >> human genome. It's just a file of numbers after all. >> >> So, we have these huge threats to humanity. The AGI future is the only >> reversible one. >> >> Regards >> Fergal Byrne >> >> -- >> >> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >> >> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >> https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >> >> Speaking on Clortex and HTM/CLA at euroClojure Krakow, June 2014: >> http://euroclojure.com/2014/ >> and at LambdaJam Chicago, July 2014: http://www.lambdajam.com >> >> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >> >> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >> >> >> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Matthew Lohbihler < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I think Jeff underplays a couple of points, the main one being the >>> speed at which an AGI can learn. Yes, there is a natural limit to how much >>> experimentation in the real world can be done in a given amount of time. >>> But we humans are already going beyond this with, for example, protein >>> folding simulations, which speeds up the discovery of new drugs and such by >>> many orders of magnitude. Any sufficiently detailed simulation could >>> massively narrow down the amount of real world verification necessary, such >>> that new discoveries happen more and more quickly, possibly at some point >>> faster than we know the AGI is doing them. An intelligence explosion is not >>> a remote possibility. The major risk here is what Eliezer Yudkowsky pointed >>> out: not that the AGI is evil or something, but that it is indifferent to >>> humanity. No one yet goes out of their way to make any form of AI care >>> about us (because we don't yet know how). What if an AI created >>> self-replicating nanobots just to prove a hypothesis? >>> >>> I think Nick Bostrom's book is what got Stephen, Elon, and Bill all >>> upset. I have to say it starts out merely interesting, but gets to a dark >>> place pretty quickly. But he goes too far in the other direction, at the >>> same time easily accepting that superinteligences have all manner of >>> cognitive skill, but at the same time can't fathom the how humans might not >>> like the idea of having our brain's pleasure centers constantly poked, >>> turning us all into smiling idiots (as i mentioned here: >>> http://blog.serotoninsoftware.com/so-smart-its-stupid). >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/25/2015 2:01 PM, Fergal Byrne wrote: >>> >>> Just one last idea in this. One thing that crops up every now and again >>> in the Culture novels is the response of the Culture to Swarms, which are >>> self-replicating viral machines or organisms. Once these things start >>> consuming everything else, the AIs (mainly Ships and Hubs) respond by >>> treating the swarms as a threat to the diversity of their Culture. They >>> first try to negotiate, then they'll eradicate. If they can contain them, >>> they'll do that. >>> >>> They do this even though they can themselves withdraw from real >>> spacetime. They don't have to worry about their own survival. They do this >>> simply because life is more interesting when it includes all the rest of us. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Fergal Byrne >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT >>> >>> Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC >>> https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines >>> >>> Speaking on Clortex and HTM/CLA at euroClojure Krakow, June 2014: >>> http://euroclojure.com/2014/ >>> and at LambdaJam Chicago, July 2014: http://www.lambdajam.com >>> >>> http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology >>> http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne >>> >>> e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 >>> Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org >>> Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 5:04 PM, cogmission (David Ray) < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> This was someone's response to Jeff's interview (see here: >>>> https://www.facebook.com/fareedzakaria/posts/10152703985901330) >>>> >>>> Please read and comment if you feel the need... >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> David >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *With kind regards,* >>>> >>>> David Ray >>>> Java Solutions Architect >>>> >>>> *Cortical.io <http://cortical.io/>* >>>> Sponsor of: HTM.java <https://github.com/numenta/htm.java> >>>> >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://cortical.io >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Fergal Byrne, Brenter IT http://inbits.com - Better Living through Thoughtful Technology http://ie.linkedin.com/in/fergbyrne/ - https://github.com/fergalbyrne Founder of Clortex: HTM in Clojure - https://github.com/nupic-community/clortex Author, Real Machine Intelligence with Clortex and NuPIC Read for free or buy the book at https://leanpub.com/realsmartmachines e:[email protected] t:+353 83 4214179 Join the quest for Machine Intelligence at http://numenta.org Formerly of Adnet [email protected] http://www.adnet.ie
