In response to the posting below, I am interested in teaming up with others in offering WLAN and other services.
Any other people that are interested, please drop me a line and lets talk. Thanks. -Alberto public email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 4:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: nycwireless digest, Vol 1 #452 - 15 msgs Send nycwireless mailing list submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nycwireless digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: warchalking (Bon sy) 2. Re: warchalking (Joe Plotkin) 3. Re: warchalking (Anthony Townsend) 4. security business (Josh McCormack) 5. TWC - Cease & Desist... (Matthew Barr) 6. Re: security business (Paul C. Lawler) 7. Greetings everyone!! (Dean Stathos) 8. Re: Re: security business (e) 9. Re: TWC - Cease & Desist... (Kev) 10. Re: TWC - Cease & Desist... (Jon Russek) 11. Re: Re: security business (jonathan) 12. Fwd: FC: NYC Time Warner Cable sending nastygrams to free 802.11 points? (Andrew Raff) 13. Re: TWC - Cease & Desist... (Ben Serebin) 14. Wireless LANs on the LIRR or MN ROWs? (Kev) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:59:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Bon sy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Anthony Townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: "'nycwireless lists.spack.org'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] warchalking Anthony, I think what Joe posted is merely a piece of information about creating hobo-language for free wireless networking. That's all what the URL is about as far as I can understand. I think it may be something interesting for at least some members of NYCwireless. Also I wonder whether "public" you meant below is the same as "free", and what audience you are referring to. Obviously one can create a free networking just for himself/herself but it is not "public". Or one can create a "public" group but insisted on stringent membership requirement so that practically it is not free for everyone or a community. Bon On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Anthony Townsend wrote: > please dont do this unless its your access point and you are sharing it > publicly.... > > ------------------------ > > Joe Plotkin heyjoe at bway.net > Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:32:27 -0400 > > I guess we can add this to the meeting agenda -- for discussion at the > bar: > > http://www.blackbeltjones.com/warchalking/ > > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:39:26 -0400 To: Bon sy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Joe Plotkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] warchalking Cc: Anthony Townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'nycwireless lists.spack.org'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Really guys, I just thought it was amusing. I guess my sarcasm doesn't always come thru in digital space the same. -----------------> Joe At 10:59 AM -0400 6/26/02, Bon sy wrote: >Anthony, > > I think what Joe posted is merely a piece of information about >creating hobo-language for free wireless networking. That's all what the >URL is about as far as I can understand. I think it may be >something interesting for at least some members of NYCwireless. > > Also I wonder whether "public" you meant below is the same as >"free", and what audience you are referring to. Obviously one can create a >free networking just for himself/herself but it is not "public". Or one >can create a "public" group but insisted on stringent membership >requirement so that practically it is not free for everyone or a >community. > >Bon > > > >On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Anthony Townsend wrote: > >> please dont do this unless its your access point and you are sharing it >> publicly.... >> >> ------------------------ >> >> Joe Plotkin heyjoe at bway.net >> Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:32:27 -0400 >> >> I guess we can add this to the meeting agenda -- for discussion at the >> bar: >> >> http://www.blackbeltjones.com/warchalking/ >> >> -- >> NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ >> Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ >> Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ >> > >-- >NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ >Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ >Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ -- ======================= Joe Plotkin DSL/Marketing Bway.net - NYC's Best Internet ======================= Bway.net 459 Broadway, 2nd floor New York, NY 10013 vox: 212.982.9800 fax: 212.982.5499 efax: 561.365.5877 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] xDSL info: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.bway.net ======================= Fight the Monopoly! http://www.TeleTruth.org ======================= --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Anthony Townsend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bon sy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe Plotkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'nycwireless lists.spack.org'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] warchalking Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:58:38 -0400 it was interesteing and thanks for posting it. i just wanted to raise people's awareness that doing this is not good practice for wireless networkers and particularly NYCwireless volunteers Anthony --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:03:47 -0700 From: Josh McCormack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [nycwireless] security business I'm putting together a business plan for a WLAN security and services business. Anyone interested in doing this, people already, thoughts, reactions? Josh --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:47:26 -0400 From: Matthew Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: NYC Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist... Just thought I'd mention that I got a letter from TWC about an open wireless network... And asking that it be closed up or I'll have my account suspended... It never actually says Cease & Desist- Always wanted one of those :-) I guess I'll have to live w/ this one. I don't know where they got the info, but I'd imagine that it'd have to be the maps server. My POP isn't really meant for street level access, due to geography.. In any case, since no one else really uses it, I'm closing it up, instead of switching ISP's... Now- The other side of this is that this does not affect cloud issues.. It just means RR types can't be routing data into the main internet from the cloud. Oh well.. Now to contact the security guys there and tell them opps! it was only for personal routing! Matthew _______________________________________________________________________ Matthew Barr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: MBarr1244 ICQ: 22130424 Hm: (212) 961-1083 M:(646) 765-6878 PGP Key Fingerprint = 35DC DC87 4F38 2E80 F327 2B50 FD82 A2CB CB80 80F3 --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:45:27 -1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Paul C. Lawler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [nycwireless] Re: security business Boingo, WiFiMetro, Wayport, iPass, T-Mobile (just to name the big ones). At 01:03 PM 6/26/02 -0700, you wrote: >I'm putting together a business plan for a WLAN security and services >business. Anyone interested in doing this, people already, thoughts, reactions? > >Josh > >-- >NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ >Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ >Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:18:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Dean Stathos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [nycwireless] Greetings everyone!! I would like to introduce myself. My name is Dean Stathos and I recently purchased a Linksys 4 port Cable/DSL Router with AP. My original purpose was to use it in order for me to use my Sharp Zaurus anywhere in my building. But, I have done some research and found organizations like yours that are looking to create a truly public wireless Internet network. I live in the Englewood NJ area and I have posted my location on the website. I look forward to seeing everyone at one of the meetings in the near future and invite anyone in the Englewood area (basically across from the hospital) to feel free and use my wireless AP (if they are within one hundred feet--in the near future, I will be looking to increase the power). ===== Dean Stathos __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:48:16 -0700 From: e <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Re: security business * plawler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >Boingo, WiFiMetro, Wayport, iPass, T-Mobile (just to name the big ones). they may do wireless, but those aren't security companies --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: NYC Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist... > Just thought I'd mention that I got a letter from TWC about an open wireless > network... And asking that it be closed up or I'll have my account > suspended... It never actually says Cease & Desist- Always wanted one of > those :-) I guess I'll have to live w/ this one. > Sorry to hear this happen. Umm...Can you tell me where the AP used to be so I can take it off my list? --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Jon Russek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist... Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:51:28 -0400 Perhaps all those Time Warner users with open nodes should turn on 40 bit WEP with a password very similar to our standard ssid (or password otherwise decided upon off-list). A private open node is better than a completely closed one and may (I'd have to look at the TOS) be more legally compliant - it's just you and your "houseguests" on the connection. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist... > Just thought I'd mention that I got a letter from TWC about an open wireless > network... And asking that it be closed up or I'll have my account > suspended... It never actually says Cease & Desist- Always wanted one of > those :-) I guess I'll have to live w/ this one. > > I don't know where they got the info, but I'd imagine that it'd have to be > the maps server. My POP isn't really meant for street level access, due to > geography.. In any case, since no one else really uses it, I'm closing it > up, instead of switching ISP's... > > Now- The other side of this is that this does not affect cloud issues.. It > just means RR types can't be routing data into the main internet from the > cloud. > > Oh well.. > > Now to contact the security guys there and tell them opps! it was only for > personal routing! > > > Matthew > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Matthew Barr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > AIM: MBarr1244 ICQ: 22130424 > Hm: (212) 961-1083 M:(646) 765-6878 > PGP Key Fingerprint = 35DC DC87 4F38 2E80 F327 2B50 FD82 A2CB CB80 80F3 > > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul C. Lawler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Re: security business I think that a security business is an interesting idea, overall. However, there are two concerns: * Is the wireless industry, or the major players, knowing that security is their achilles ankle, going to effectively plug existing holes? Effectively may only mean in terms of conventional wisdom - if you use the new Orinoco SuperWEP, of course yer safe! * Is this a feature, or a product, so to speak. In other words, is this something that a general security company should be focusing on as one part of their value proposition, or will people actually look in the phone book for a wireless security company? Or an 802.11b security company? I'd be happy to discuss further offline. jonathan hirschman On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Paul C. Lawler wrote: > Boingo, WiFiMetro, Wayport, iPass, T-Mobile (just to name the big ones). > > At 01:03 PM 6/26/02 -0700, you wrote: > >I'm putting together a business plan for a WLAN security and services > >business. Anyone interested in doing this, people already, thoughts, reactions? > > > >Josh > > > >-- > >NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > >Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > >Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:09:49 -0400 From: "Andrew Raff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [nycwireless] Fwd: FC: NYC Time Warner Cable sending nastygrams to free 802.11 points? This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_6E324401.E584F876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline from Politech... --=_6E324401.E584F876 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: from cluebot.com (server1.cluebot.com [216.110.36.217]) by node72.b2b-hive.com; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:05:24 -0400 Received: by cluebot.com (Postfix) id A47AA10528; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cluebot.com (Postfix, from userid 91) id B6E1410511; Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:24:52 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: NYC Time Warner Cable sending nastygrams to free 802.11 points? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.2i X-URL: http://www.mccullagh.org/ Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: normal Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ X-Author: Declan McCullagh is at http://www.mccullagh.org/ X-News-Site: Cluebot is at http://www.cluebot.com/ --- From: "rick tait" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: NYC Time Warner Cable sending nasty letters to subscribers who use 802.11 and offer "free" access Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:22:31 -0400 Declan, I've not seen anything on Politech regarding this specific issue before, but my roommate just called me and let me know that Time Warner Cable of NYC has just sent me a snotty letter basically telling me to shut off my public access point immediately - PERIOD - as its not allowed according to the contract I signed to get their cable service. I don't have the letter in front of me, but if you're interested, I can get it to you this evening. I plan on calling/writing to TWCNYC and asking them if they consider an access-protected 802.11 network is still an infringement of their contract, meaning if I only allow MYSELF access, and no-one else. Is the fact that its just "there" (admittedly unusable by anyone without the access key) an exception to the contract? Now I have to shield my apartment in lead because I can't "advertise" my own private 802.11 network because the backend of the network is TWCNYC's? I don't like where this is going. RMT. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Like Politech? Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --=_6E324401.E584F876-- --__--__-- Message: 13 From: "Ben Serebin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist... Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:10:00 -0400 Hello Everyone, Nothing wrong with the last post, but just a reminder this is an open mailing list, so use judgement before you post. This will definitely be a hot topic tonight @ the meeting. Another reason to switch ISPs and go with a NYCwireless recommended one (AceDSL and Bway.net). -Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Russek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist... > Perhaps all those Time Warner users with open nodes should turn on 40 bit > WEP with a password very similar to our standard ssid (or password otherwise > decided upon off-list). A private open node is better than a completely > closed one and may (I'd have to look at the TOS) be more legally compliant - > it's just you and your "houseguests" on the connection. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:47 PM > Subject: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist... > > > > Just thought I'd mention that I got a letter from TWC about an open > wireless > > network... And asking that it be closed up or I'll have my account > > suspended... It never actually says Cease & Desist- Always wanted one of > > those :-) I guess I'll have to live w/ this one. > > > > I don't know where they got the info, but I'd imagine that it'd have to be > > the maps server. My POP isn't really meant for street level access, due > to > > geography.. In any case, since no one else really uses it, I'm closing it > > up, instead of switching ISP's... > > > > Now- The other side of this is that this does not affect cloud issues.. > It > > just means RR types can't be routing data into the main internet from the > > cloud. > > > > Oh well.. > > > > Now to contact the security guys there and tell them opps! it was only for > > personal routing! > > > > > > Matthew > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Matthew Barr mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > AIM: MBarr1244 ICQ: 22130424 > > Hm: (212) 961-1083 M:(646) 765-6878 > > PGP Key Fingerprint = 35DC DC87 4F38 2E80 F327 2B50 FD82 A2CB CB80 80F3 > > > > -- > > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ > Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > --__--__-- Message: 14 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:19:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [nycwireless] Wireless LANs on the LIRR or MN ROWs? Hmmm...I read with interest a while ago that some of the list members are interested in adding wireless capabilities to the Subway, but since adding repeaters to the 24 hour underground sections would be difficult it was not deemed practical. However, I am just curious to the prospects of adding Wireless LAN capabilties to the Long Island Railroad or Metro North Right-of-ways (ROWs). These tend to be on specialized embarkments or on flat ground, and they tend to go through relatively prosperous and educated communities where notebooks and handhelds are widely used, and most LIRR coaches (The M1s and M2s) have at least one power outlet on each car. a) Is it technically feasible to use APs to access networking resources on a train traveling at 60mph traveling aboveground? b) Are there people with access to broadband and APs who happens to be living near the tracks and are willing to make their nodes available? c) Are there any legal problems with putting up APs near these ROWs? --__--__-- -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ End of nycwireless Digest -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/