In response to the posting below, I am interested in teaming up with others
in offering WLAN and other services.

Any other people that are interested, please drop me a line and lets talk.
Thanks.

-Alberto
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: warchalking (Bon sy)
   2. Re: warchalking (Joe Plotkin)
   3. Re: warchalking (Anthony Townsend)
   4. security business (Josh McCormack)
   5. TWC - Cease & Desist... (Matthew Barr)
   6. Re: security business (Paul C. Lawler)
   7. Greetings everyone!! (Dean Stathos)
   8. Re: Re: security business (e)
   9. Re: TWC - Cease & Desist... (Kev)
  10. Re: TWC - Cease & Desist... (Jon Russek)
  11. Re: Re: security business (jonathan)
  12. Fwd: FC: NYC Time Warner Cable sending nastygrams to free
       802.11 points? (Andrew Raff)
  13. Re: TWC - Cease & Desist... (Ben Serebin)
  14. Wireless LANs on the LIRR or MN ROWs? (Kev)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 10:59:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bon sy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Anthony Townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: "'nycwireless lists.spack.org'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] warchalking

Anthony,

        I think what Joe posted is merely a piece of information about
creating hobo-language for free wireless networking. That's all what the
URL is about as far as I can understand. I think it may be
something interesting for at least some members of NYCwireless.

        Also I wonder whether "public" you meant below is the same as
"free", and what audience you are referring to. Obviously one can create a
free networking just for himself/herself but it is not "public". Or one
can create a "public" group but insisted on stringent membership
requirement so that practically it is not free for everyone or a
community.

Bon



On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Anthony Townsend wrote:

> please dont do this unless its your access point and you are sharing it
> publicly....
>
> ------------------------
>
> Joe Plotkin heyjoe at bway.net
> Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:32:27 -0400
>
> I guess we can add this to the meeting agenda  --  for discussion at the
> bar:
>
> http://www.blackbeltjones.com/warchalking/
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:39:26 -0400
To: Bon sy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Joe Plotkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] warchalking
Cc: Anthony Townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
   "'nycwireless lists.spack.org'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Really guys, I just thought it was amusing. I guess my sarcasm
doesn't always come thru in digital space the same.

-----------------> Joe

At 10:59 AM -0400 6/26/02, Bon sy wrote:
>Anthony,
>
>       I think what Joe posted is merely a piece of information about
>creating hobo-language for free wireless networking. That's all what the
>URL is about as far as I can understand. I think it may be
>something interesting for at least some members of NYCwireless.
>
>       Also I wonder whether "public" you meant below is the same as
>"free", and what audience you are referring to. Obviously one can create a
>free networking just for himself/herself but it is not "public". Or one
>can create a "public" group but insisted on stringent membership
>requirement so that practically it is not free for everyone or a
>community.
>
>Bon
>
>
>
>On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Anthony Townsend wrote:
>
>>  please dont do this unless its your access point and you are sharing it
>>  publicly....
>>
>>  ------------------------
>>
>>  Joe Plotkin heyjoe at bway.net
>>  Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:32:27 -0400
>>
>>  I guess we can add this to the meeting agenda  --  for discussion at the
>>  bar:
>>
>>  http://www.blackbeltjones.com/warchalking/
>>
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Message: 3
From: "Anthony Townsend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bon sy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe Plotkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "'nycwireless lists.spack.org'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] warchalking
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 11:58:38 -0400

it was interesteing and thanks for posting it. i just wanted to raise
people's awareness that doing this is not good practice for wireless
networkers and particularly NYCwireless volunteers

Anthony



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:03:47 -0700
From: Josh McCormack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [nycwireless] security business

I'm putting together a business plan for a WLAN security and services
business. Anyone interested in doing this, people already, thoughts,
reactions?

Josh


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:47:26 -0400
From: Matthew Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NYC Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist...

Just thought I'd mention that I got a letter from TWC about an open wireless
network...  And asking that it be closed up or I'll have my account
suspended... It never actually says Cease & Desist- Always wanted one of
those :-) I guess I'll have to live w/ this one.

I don't know where they got the info, but I'd imagine that it'd have to be
the maps server.  My POP isn't really meant for street level access, due to
geography.. In any case, since no one else really uses it, I'm closing it
up, instead of switching ISP's...

Now-  The other side of this is that this does not affect cloud issues.. It
just means RR types can't be routing data into the main internet from the
cloud.

Oh well..

Now to contact the security guys there and tell them opps! it was only for
personal routing!


Matthew


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:45:27 -1000
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "Paul C. Lawler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [nycwireless] Re: security business

Boingo, WiFiMetro, Wayport, iPass, T-Mobile (just to name the big ones).

At 01:03 PM 6/26/02 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm putting together a business plan for a WLAN security and services
>business. Anyone interested in doing this, people already, thoughts,
reactions?
>
>Josh
>
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:18:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dean Stathos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [nycwireless] Greetings everyone!!

I would like to introduce myself.  My name is Dean
Stathos and I recently purchased a Linksys 4 port
Cable/DSL Router with AP.  My original purpose was to
use it in order for me to use my Sharp Zaurus anywhere
in my building.

But, I have done some research and found organizations
like yours that are looking to create a truly public
wireless Internet network.

I live in the Englewood NJ area and I have posted my
location on the website.

I look forward to seeing everyone at one of the
meetings in the near future and invite anyone in the
Englewood area (basically across from the hospital) to
feel free and use my wireless AP (if they are within
one hundred feet--in the near future, I will be
looking to increase the power).



=====
Dean Stathos

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:48:16 -0700
From: e <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Re: security business

* plawler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>Boingo, WiFiMetro, Wayport, iPass, T-Mobile (just to name the big ones).

they may do wireless, but those aren't security companies


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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:50:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: NYC Wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist...

> Just thought I'd mention that I got a letter from TWC about an open
wireless
> network...  And asking that it be closed up or I'll have my account
> suspended... It never actually says Cease & Desist- Always wanted one of
> those :-) I guess I'll have to live w/ this one.
>
Sorry to hear this happen.  Umm...Can you tell me where the AP used to be
so I can take it off my list?



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Message: 10
From: "Jon Russek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist...
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:51:28 -0400

Perhaps all those Time Warner users with open nodes should turn on 40 bit
WEP with a password very similar to our standard ssid (or password otherwise
decided upon off-list).  A private open node is better than a completely
closed one and may (I'd have to look at the TOS) be more legally compliant -
it's just you and your "houseguests" on the connection.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist...


> Just thought I'd mention that I got a letter from TWC about an open
wireless
> network...  And asking that it be closed up or I'll have my account
> suspended... It never actually says Cease & Desist- Always wanted one of
> those :-) I guess I'll have to live w/ this one.
>
> I don't know where they got the info, but I'd imagine that it'd have to be
> the maps server.  My POP isn't really meant for street level access, due
to
> geography.. In any case, since no one else really uses it, I'm closing it
> up, instead of switching ISP's...
>
> Now-  The other side of this is that this does not affect cloud issues..
It
> just means RR types can't be routing data into the main internet from the
> cloud.
>
> Oh well..
>
> Now to contact the security guys there and tell them opps! it was only for
> personal routing!
>
>
> Matthew
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:05:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: jonathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Paul C. Lawler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] Re: security business

I think that a security business is an interesting idea, overall. However,
there are two concerns:

* Is the wireless industry, or the major players, knowing that security is
their achilles ankle, going to effectively plug existing holes?
Effectively may only mean in terms of conventional wisdom - if you use the
new Orinoco SuperWEP, of course yer safe!

* Is this a feature, or a product, so to speak. In other words, is this
something that a general security company should be focusing on as one
part of their value proposition, or will people actually look in the phone
book for a wireless security company? Or an 802.11b security company?

I'd be happy to discuss further offline.

jonathan hirschman

On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Paul C. Lawler wrote:

> Boingo, WiFiMetro, Wayport, iPass, T-Mobile (just to name the big ones).
>
> At 01:03 PM 6/26/02 -0700, you wrote:
> >I'm putting together a business plan for a WLAN security and services
> >business. Anyone interested in doing this, people already, thoughts,
reactions?
> >
> >Josh
> >
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: NYC Time Warner Cable sending nasty letters to subscribers who use
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:22:31 -0400

Declan,

I've not seen anything on Politech regarding this specific issue before, but
my roommate just called me and let me know that Time Warner Cable of NYC has
just sent me a snotty letter basically telling me to shut off my public
access point immediately - PERIOD - as its not allowed according to the
contract I signed to get their cable service.

I don't have the letter in front of me, but if you're interested, I can get
it to you this evening.

I plan on calling/writing to TWCNYC and asking them if they consider an
access-protected 802.11 network is still an infringement of their contract,
meaning if I only allow MYSELF access, and no-one else. Is the fact that its
just "there" (admittedly unusable by anyone without the access key) an
exception to the contract?

Now I have to shield my apartment in lead because I can't "advertise" my own
private 802.11 network because the backend of the network is TWCNYC's?

I don't like where this is going.

RMT.



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Message: 13
From: "Ben Serebin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist...
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:10:00 -0400

Hello Everyone,

        Nothing wrong with the last post, but just a reminder this is an
open mailing list, so use judgement before you post. This will definitely be
a hot topic tonight @ the meeting.

        Another reason to switch ISPs and go with a NYCwireless recommended
one (AceDSL and Bway.net).

-Ben


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Russek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist...


> Perhaps all those Time Warner users with open nodes should turn on 40 bit
> WEP with a password very similar to our standard ssid (or password
otherwise
> decided upon off-list).  A private open node is better than a completely
> closed one and may (I'd have to look at the TOS) be more legally
compliant -
> it's just you and your "houseguests" on the connection.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NYC Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 2:47 PM
> Subject: [nycwireless] TWC - Cease & Desist...
>
>
> > Just thought I'd mention that I got a letter from TWC about an open
> wireless
> > network...  And asking that it be closed up or I'll have my account
> > suspended... It never actually says Cease & Desist- Always wanted one of
> > those :-) I guess I'll have to live w/ this one.
> >
> > I don't know where they got the info, but I'd imagine that it'd have to
be
> > the maps server.  My POP isn't really meant for street level access, due
> to
> > geography.. In any case, since no one else really uses it, I'm closing
it
> > up, instead of switching ISP's...
> >
> > Now-  The other side of this is that this does not affect cloud issues..
> It
> > just means RR types can't be routing data into the main internet from
the
> > cloud.
> >
> > Oh well..
> >
> > Now to contact the security guys there and tell them opps! it was only
for
> > personal routing!
> >
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > Matthew Barr                              mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:19:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [nycwireless] Wireless LANs on the LIRR or MN ROWs?

Hmmm...I read with interest a while ago that some of the list members are
interested in adding wireless capabilities to the Subway, but since adding
repeaters to the 24 hour underground sections would be difficult it was
not deemed practical.  However, I am just curious to the prospects of
adding Wireless LAN capabilties to the Long Island Railroad
or Metro North Right-of-ways (ROWs).   These tend to be on specialized
embarkments or on flat ground, and they tend to go through relatively
prosperous and educated communities where notebooks and handhelds are
widely used, and most LIRR coaches (The M1s and M2s) have at least one
power outlet on each car.

a) Is it technically feasible to use APs to access networking resources on
a train traveling at 60mph traveling aboveground?
b)  Are there people with access to broadband and APs who happens to be
living near the tracks and are willing to make their nodes available?
c) Are there any legal problems with putting up APs near these ROWs?




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