As a lowly photographer ,(not the one in question), I am grateful for yet another reminder that I, and those like me, are inextricably wallowing in a Stygian morass of moral terpitude, while those of a higher calling look down in righteuos judgement upon our nefarious activities, with both of their feet firmly planted on the immutable, lofty pinnacles of moral high ground.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM, McIntyre, Annie (LI) < annie.mcint...@parks.ny.gov> wrote: > Folks let’s not do this AGAIN. Photogs vs birders… we’ve all seen > offenders on both sides. It’s a pleasure reading this list to hear about > the birds that are around, but not so much the squabbles. Better done in > private conversation. > > > > Good birding! > > Annie McIntyre > > > > *From:* bounce-111084078-10774...@list.cornell.edu [mailto: > bounce-111084078-10774...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *Lake, Thomas R > *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 9:38 AM > *To:* Meena Madhav Haribal; NYSBIRDS-L > *Subject:* RE:[nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left > becuase of yell > > > > > > * "If the photographer was approaching very cautiously and did not make > the owl scared of him then he has not done anything wrong except he has > approached closer."* > > > > *Buy better optics! Getting closer is **NEVER** the answer.* > > > > *Tom Lake* > ------------------------------ > > *From:* bounce-111084023-26920...@list.cornell.edu [ > bounce-111084023-26920...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Meena Madhav > Haribal [m...@cornell.edu] > *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 8:49 AM > *To:* NYSBIRDS-L > *Subject:* [nysbirds-l] Why did you yell at him? Bird must have left > becuase of yell > > Hello all, > > Bob Adamo wrote this and I have highlighted his reactions! > > > > Subject: 1 Snowy, + 1 terrible photographer = 1 stressed bird + 1 call to > the cops ! > From: robert adamo <radamo4...@gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 22:42:29 -0500 > X-Message-Number: 13 > > " I stopped, got out of my car, and *yelled to* > * him to stop, that what he was doing was against the law*. He heard me > and > dismissed me. I then took his license plate #, and called the police. I > * called out to him again, he listened to all I said, and proceeded to > move* > * closer to the bird, after telling me "there are no signs saying I can't*". > While I was still on the phone, the snowy took off, heading west. The > police said they were responding, and armed with the plate # and > description of the idiot's SUV, they might catch up to him ! > > > > > > > > I felt I must say something here. If the photographer was approaching very > cautiously and did not make the owl scared of him then he has not done > anything wrong except he has approached closer. Sometimes animals can > tolerate non-scary humans and permit them to go close enough. So it is > better to observe photographers behavior and the animal's reaction before > being officious and call police. All you know the bird must have got > disturbed by your (Bob Adamo's) yelling at him and all the following > activities as probably the owl perceived it as two encounters approaching > him/her. > > > > I have observed birders, including those who call themselves as experts > do all sort of things, for example, chasing a tired migratory bird till > they have had satisfied look. Oh! They seem to have right because they are > birders and not photographers. So birders have right to do whatever they > feel is right even though the birds may be stressed for example by > continuously playing playbacks (Oh boy! how many of those I have seen). I > have had amazing experiences when I have approached the birds or animals > very cautiously and slowly in a non-threatening way. They even have kind of > responded to me in a positive way. So by being closer if you are not > threatening the subjects of your interest then there is nothing wrong as > long as you know when and where to stop. > > > > The knee-jerk reaction of being closer equals threatening birds is a wrong > notion. So be careful of your own reactions. And also have patience to > observe the behavior of the photographers before you decide to take any > actions! So best thing is if someone is photographing a bird is to leave > the location ASAP for the photographer to get a good photo as he has > approached the bird before you have! > > > > > > Meena > > PS: I am not a bird photographer, though occasionally I shoot birds but > mostly insect photographer where the insects have let me approach them as > close as a centimeter and still they have not flown away and shown amazing > behaviors! > > > > Meena Haribal > > Ithaca NY 14850 > > 42.429007,-76.47111 > > http://haribal.org/ > > http://meenaharibal.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > -- > > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > > *Archives:* > > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > > -- > > -- > > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > > *Archives:* > > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > > -- > -- > *NYSbirds-L List Info:* > Welcome and Basics <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME> > Rules and Information <http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES> > Subscribe, Configuration and > Leave<http://www.northeastbirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm> > *Archives:* > The Mail > Archive<http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html> > Surfbirds <http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L> > BirdingOnThe.Net <http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html> > *Please submit your observations to **eBird*<http://ebird.org/content/ebird/> > *!* > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
