Oleg! Hello! Great to see you pop up here with a similar concern. John Bradley just answered this thread with the details I was looking for (thanks John, hat tip your way).
He also mentioned details about fragment leakage: "Browsers now re-append fragments across 302 redirects unless they are explicitly cleared this makes fragment encoding less safe than it was when originally specified" Again, I'm new here but I'm grateful for this conversation. Aloha, -- Jim Manico @Manicode > On Jul 1, 2016, at 1:24 AM, Oleg Gryb <oleg_g...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > We've discussed access tokens in URI back in 2010 > (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/oauth/current/msg04043.html). There > were two major objectives when I was saying that it's not secure: > > 1. Fragment is not sent to a server by a browser. When I've asked if this is > true for every browser in the world, nobody was able to answer. > 2. Replacing with POST would mean a significant performance impact in some > high volume implementations (I think it was Goole folks who were saying this, > but I don't remember now). > > AFAIR, nobody was arguing about browsing history, so it's valid. > > So, 6 years later we're at square one with this and I hope that this time the > community will be more successful with getting rid of secrets in URL. > > BTW, Jim, if you can come up with other scenarios when fragments can leak, > please share. It'll probably help the community with solving this problem > faster than in 6 years. > > Thanks, > Oleg. > > > From: Jim Manico <j...@manicode.com> > To: Liyu Yi <liy...@gmail.com>; oauth@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 7:30 AM > Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] Security concern for URI fragment as Implicit grant > > > Shouldn’t it be more secure if we change to use a post method for access > > token, similar to the SAML does? > I say yes. But please note I'm very new at this and someone with more > experience will have more to say or correct my comments. > Here are a few more details to consider. > 1) OAuth is a framework and not a standard, per se. Different authorization > servers will have different implementations that are not necessarily > compatible with other service providers. So there is no standard to break, > per se. > 2) Sensitive data in a URI is a bad idea. They leak all over the place even > over HTTPS. Even in fragments. > 3) Break the "rules" and find a way to submit sensitive data like access > tokens, session information or any other (even short term) sensitive data in > a secure fashion. This includes POST, JSON data payloads over PUT/PATCH and > other verbs - all over well configured HTTPS. > 4) If you really must submit sensitive data over GET , consider JWT/JWS/JWE > (with limited scopes/lifetimes) to provide message level confidentiality and > integrity. > Aloha, > Jim Manico > Manicode Security > https://www.manicode.com > >> On 6/27/16 9:30 PM, Liyu Yi wrote: >> While we are working on a project with OAuth2 implementation, one question >> arises from our engineers. >> We noticed at https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-v2-31#page-30, it >> is specified that >> >> (C) Assuming the resource owner grants access, the authorization >> server redirects the user-agent back to the client using the >> redirection URI provided earlier. The redirection URI includes >> the access token in the URI fragment. >> >> For my understanding, the browser keeps the URI fragment in the history, and >> this introduces unexpected exposure of the access token. A user without >> authorization for the resource can get the access token as long as he has >> the access to the browser. This can happen in a shared computer in library, >> or for an IT staff who works on other employee’s computer. >> >> Shouldn’t it be more secure if we change to use a post method for access >> token, similar to the SAML does? >> I feel there might be something I missed here. Any advices will be >> appreciated. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OAuth mailing list >> OAuth@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > OAuth mailing list > OAuth@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/oauth > >
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