Pak Andy, masalah ini udah di close ama mbah dan yang bersangkutan sudah saling
maaf memaafkan....please jangan di perpanjang dong.
Saya sangat tidak setuju loh dengan statement Pak Andy: "Gw pengen tahu, apa
sih yang ngak bisa dibeli di Indonesia? Honestly!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Andy" <a...@qsix.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:17:48
To: <obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No P
robe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! IN
DO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Sorry, mungkin saya kurang mengerti, bisa tolong dijelaskan, apakah memang ada
pengangkatan secara resmi bahwa Pak Rusli adalah Leader/Representative dari
minority shareholder group of BUMI secara LEGAL?
Kalau dilihat dari cara menanggapi kritik orang lain kok kayak preman yah, mau
ke court segala.
Memangnya yg dihadapi itu REAL Person? Siapa yg mau di "penjarain" lagi nih?
Aduh, ingat diatas langit masih ada langit lagi!
PS: Mau tanya nih iseng2, ngak ada hubungannya sih sama yg lagi diributin ini
(gw sendiri kaga ngerti apaan):
Gw pengen tahu, apa sih yang ngak bisa dibeli di Indonesia? Honestly!
-----Original Message-----
From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of jsx_consultant
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:41 PM
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE
BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Pak Paul SUDAH minta maaf dan sudah MENARIK statement yg menyinggung
pak Rully... Pak Rully juga menerima permintaan maaf pak Paul kan ?.
Case is CLOSED... We are all brother and sister, rite ?.
Embah tadi sengaja melepaskan perdebatan ini dimilis untuk
menjadi pembelajaran:
- Kalo posting, konsentrasi pada masalah dan jangan pada PRIBADI,
Kalo pak Paul mengutarakan masalahnya pada pak Rully secara
baik baik, kan engga akan ada KERIBUTAN ini. Malah akan jadi
topik yg menarik.
--- In obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>
yahoogroups.com, "Vaulstrad" <vaulst...@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry rully that me just upset from the article from Jakarta Globe. There is
> no need to go to court to prove. because i have nothing to prove.
>
> I am one of the minority shareholder. Of course we depend on you. Please
> kindly explain why there is sudden change.
>
> My mistake for my statement. I fully take it back. Hope you forgive me. Of
> course all statement below are for jokes only. Like margin call etc. But if
> you take that seriously I am sorry.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, "Rully" <rullymainsaham@> wrote:
> >
> > PH,
> >
> > Would you be kind enough to clarify this allegation? Or should we go to
> > court so you can prove your allegation?
> >
> > Salam,
> > Rully
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: PHâ„¢
> > To: obrolan-bandar@ <mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>
> > yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM
> > Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE
> > BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(
> > Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call...
> > jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu....
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’
> > In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian
> > Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market
> > regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing
> > much has changed.
> >
> > However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and
> > the regulator â€" not to mention the interests of small investors â€" it
> > now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with
> > analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are
> > happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution
> > Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK).
> >
> > In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three
> > coal firms â€" PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi
> > Batubara â€" for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an
> > investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were
> > overpriced.
> >
> > It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material
> > transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â€" which was never
> > given â€" Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with
> > Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure
> > cross-shareholding arrangements.
> >
> > However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment
> > of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that
> > the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370
> > billion too high.
> >
> > But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â€" all it had to do was
> > renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable†level, which
> > it says it is now in the process of doing.
> >
> > The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction
> > question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal
> > years the issue of materiality did not arise â€" a view that many would
> > consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took
> > place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30,
> > Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7.
> >
> > Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority
> > shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a
> > transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or
> > 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the
> > transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed
> > in different years.
> >
> > On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its
> > investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question
> > is now irrelevant.
> >
> > Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that
> > Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser.
> >
> > “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â€
> > he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning
> > its affiliation probe.
> >
> > Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully
> > Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to
> > renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.â€
> >
> > Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial,
> > Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been
> > scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday.
> >
> > “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the
> > affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,†Rully said.
> >
> > But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s shareholders,
> > doubts nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the future of
> > corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst having aptly
> > characterized the entire affair as “nothing more than a game.â€
> >
> >
> > Jakarta Globe
> >
>
