There is absolutely nothing wrong with entering a venue that sells alcohol whether it is a restaurant or just a pub and enjoying a good time with family/friends. This is the way of life and my goodness, folks deserve some relaxation and time out from the daily pressures of modern day life, by having a drink or five. BUT: As in the military, one or two okies stuff up, the entire platoon gets the stick. It is unfortunate that there are so many culprits out there who makes life inconvenient for those who are simply out to have innocent fun.
If businesses who serve liquor would only register the details of those who step over the line and forbid them entry in the future, it might have an impact Hand in hand with this measure more stringent controls should be implemented on the streets/pavements once the misbehaved starts to misbehave. I often walk past the scrumpy jack , pancho's and obz cafe and it is quite a pleasure to witness the majority of folks enjoying some light banter/laughter, but never have i managed to return home without also seeing the dark side of people along the way. I firmly believe that the good far outweighs the bad, but if the businesses/security organisations could send a message out to the perpetrators who caused this debate in the first place, by barring/banning them from outlets and even from our streets if necessary, who knows,..? desperate times calls for desperate measures. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michá Riedel - The Scrumpy Jack" <michar...@telkomsa.net> To: "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" <obsnw@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: [obsnw] Re: [iloveobs] Fw: LIQUOR LICENSE APPLICATIONS Hey Andrew... very much agree with you, i mean i am very dependent on bringing sports live to obs, and that is my main trade, hence if i have to close at 9pm i wont even be able to show the soccer world cup final, seriously ridiculous, as most sports football rugby etc, only starts at 10pm, really cant they first sort out other problems, before implementing new rules, hence the drug operation, been 3 years in obs, and during that time, they have been so many times trying to catch a certain culprit in obs that trades, and time and time again they always get away, so why implement new laws if they cant even sort out the current ones... this is becoming a joke, some people actually studied the field of food and beverage mng, to make a living in this trade... yet they want to make that sour to us as well, whats next you not allowed to walk on the streets after a certain time or what....??? Regards Micha THE SCRUMPY JACK On Jan 29, 8:17 am, "Helen Swart" <h...@polka.co.za> wrote: > Melanie > > I agree with Andrew that there are a few businesses that comply with the > rules. > However these applicants are not Cocktail Bars one of them is definitely a > dive that cannot control its unruly customers the other is directly > opposite > the kiddies park and I have witnessed their clients sitting on tables on > the sidewalk drinking & noisy on a Saturday afternoon while the toddlers > were playing in the park. Not a good example for toddlers.. > > Helen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Johnny Wessels" <john...@postnet.co.za> > To: <obsnw@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:26 AM > Subject: [obsnw] Re: [iloveobs] Fw: LIQUOR LICENSE APPLICATIONS > > you said it,MOST venues does not imply all,...and quite frankly i don't > give a hoot whether you believe me or not, i know what i saw. what the > dickens does having a 14 yr old got to do with what i witnessed?! > > you seem hell bent on negating everything i declare as negative,.. > > chip on the shoulder perhaps,..? > > > I agree with Andrew. > > 9.00 pm is ridiculous. > > Prohibition,or laws leaning into that direction won't work, that's all > > been proven long time ago. > > I'm sorry, we moved to Obs about 13 years ago and the Main Road always > > had pubs and restaurants, and those are naturally the places where > > alcohol is consumed, and sometimes (ok, often) in excess. Every city > > needs areas like this, or do you only party at home? > > If one chooses to move close to that vicinity, one will have to put up > > with the noise, the excess. You cannot curtail venues because of your > > sleep. Of course it should all be relatively reasonable. And 9 o clock > > is not reasonable. > > As far as I remember,all young generations live some kind of excess, > > that's a normal process. But of course there will always be people who > > complain about it, too. > > Personally I find it silly to even not allow alcohol sales on a Sunday > > or Public Holiday. In Germany for example you can buy alcohol > > anywhere, at any time. For decades. The sales times are not the issue > > or cause of alcohol abuse. > > It's much more important to educate people to learn how to not use > > every drug that comes along in excess and become total nuisances. Or > > are you going to try and forbid TV Broadcasters because your children > > watch to much TV? > > The litter and broken glass, well make sure someone cleans it up, like > > the venue in question, and if they don't, complain to the police. > > I think there should be more decent cocktail bars in the area, a > > little upmarket competition would do no harm in Obs. > > Oh, and that story of Johnny's, about under 16 year olds being totally > > drunk in a venue - I don't believe that. I find that most venues are > > quite responsible about not serving alcohol to under 16 year olds, and > > I know, because I have a 14 year old daughter. > > > Melanie > > > On Jan 28, 7:34 pm, Andrew Fife <loyal...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi All > > >> It is amazing how, beacause of the action or lack thereof, of less than > >> 10% > >> of the liqour license holders in Observatory, we are all tared with the > >> same > >> brush. > > >> Many of us respect the law and our patrons and neighbours. Even though > >> I > >> have 04:00 licence it is very rare to find drunk and disordely people > >> at > >> my > >> venue. I do think 9pm is to too early as my kitchen only closes at > >> 23:30 > > >> Of the many complaints regurgited on this list, how many have actually > >> been > >> put to paper and submitted to the liqour board? > > >> The residents can only blame themselves for not holding the law > >> enforces > >> accountable. > > >> Regards > > >> Andrew Fife > >> A Touch of Madness - Victorian Quaffery > >> 021 448 2266www.touchofmadness.co.za > > >> 2009/1/28 Trevor Hughes <tghug...@gmail.com> > > >> > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Johnny Wessels > >> <john...@postnet.co.za> > >> > wrote: > >> > > Helen, > > >> > > I used to love playing billards until i walked into a pool club/pub > >> in an > >> > > upstairs venue and saw the shocking amount of teenagers from all > >> walks of > >> > > life with bottles/glasses of liquor held in their hands who in > >> certain > >> > cases > >> > > were too intoxicated to hold a cue, much less play the game > > >> > Stoned! I mean Stones? > > >> > > I used to be a regular patron at a particular restaurant in lower > >> main, > >> > > until i overheard ( they were directly opposite me and quite > >> audible) a > >> > > table full of children ( the oldest could not have exceeded 16) > >> broadcast > >> > > their plans for an orgy after a night out at the clubs- there were > >> many > >> > > empty bottles of alcohol on their table and the time was barely > >> 7pm-at > >> > the > >> > > time i shuddered to imagine the outcome of their evening. > > >> > Why not name the restaurant - might shame them into taking some > >> action! > > >> > > I rest my case Helen. > > >> > Never rest your case till the battle is won! > > >> > Trev- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > "You may choose to live your life in pieces or you may choose to live your > life in peace,...we cannot start over and change the beginning, but we can > start now and change the end,..." > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: > 1/26/2009 > 6:37 PM- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood watch" group. 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