So what do you suggest Trev. ? That from now on we not photograph suspicious persons if they are black ?
On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Stan <skoo...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > We still don't know what & why the photographer was filming, do we? Where > is the photographer? > > Skin colour is co-incidental. If we were all pink, we would soon find some > or other difference to complain about, would we not? > > The "racism" theory is as yet unproven and based on suspicion, not so? > > As soon as two people of dissimilar skin colour disagree about something, > are they opening themselves up to being labelled "racist"? We live in a > multi-racial society. Let's get over that. > > While we all sit around arguing about racism, crime gladly continues. > > Do we ALL have a duty to fight racism? Equally, we ALL have a > responsibility to become involved in crime-fighting, which affects us all. > > When I (daily) see suspicious behaviour in the streets of Obs, I don't > care who is or seems to be about to do XYZ, or seems to have no good > business lurking somewhere: do I report it, or do I choose not to, for fear > of being labelled racist, just in case the suspect has different skin > colour to mine? Or can I feel guilt-free to report a suspicious person when > they have my skin colour? See how laughable this could become? > > If I see suspicious activity and I can take photographs without > endangering my safety, I should do it, if it will assist crime fighting. > If it offends an innocent person, I can apologise afterwards without > feeling guilty, because it was nothing personal. > > It is unfortunate that it requires us to be judgemental and often if a > person looks dodgy, there's a good chance that they are - on some level! > > Have I become overly suspicious? Living in this part of Obs, I might say > "Rightly so!" with its history of drug-related criminal activity, Or is it > just a case of being more alert and observant? > There have been times when I have dismissed my suspicion based on a gut > feel, only to be proved wrong shortly thereafter - AND vice-versa!!! The > balance is never an easy one. > > Hopefully, if more of us stand together in striving for a crime-free > community, it will help us focus on our similarities rather than our > differences. > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > Trevor Hughes > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:57 AM > To: obsnw@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [obsnw] Unauthorized photographer Corner Wesley and station > road > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:34 PM, Stan <skoo...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > > > > Spot on!!! > > Out damn spot, Out! > > > > > From: obsnw@googlegroups.com [mailto:obsnw@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > > Of stephen van der spuy > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:40 PM > > To: obsnw@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [obsnw] Digest for obsnw@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in > > 2 topics > > > > There is nothing to indicate that anyone in Obs is photographed simply > because he/she is black. People get photographed when there is suspicion > about them. The colour of the photographer and the colour of the person > being photographed has got absolutely nothing to do with it. > > > > Yes there is and yes it has. The guy in question is stating that quite > clearly. Clearly being black was suspicious enough for the photographer in > question. Would be interesting to see some of his other photographs. I > wonder how many white suspicious white ous he took photos of? > > > People need to be photographed when there is suspicion about them. > Their colour should be of no consideration whatsoever. If we are going to > be over-sensitive on this issue , then we might as well scrap the Obs > Neighbourhood Watch. Criminals are not sensitive, so why should the > neighbourhood watch be ? Persons being photographed should accept this > sort of thing, and not be overly sensitive themselves if they have nothing > to hide. It's for the good of everyone that people are photographed. > > Nonsense! The old if you have nothing to hide then you should not mind > defence is plain bollocks? Should we accept > black/white/indian/coloured/asian strangers taking pictures of the kids and > nannies in the kiddies park. The kids and nannies have nothing to hide and > its for the good of everyone that they are being photographed. Suspicion is > most often in the eye of the beholder. > > Colour matters. You may like to think it does not but it most certainly > does. > > Trev > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > OPS [Obsid Public Safety] - 24/7 control room > > TEL: 021-447-1066 or 072-063-1653 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > EMERGENCIES: 10111 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ONW email: o...@obs.org.za > WEB: www.obswatch.org.za > FACEBOOK: facebook.com/obswatch > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Other Useful Obs Numbers: obs.org.za/obsdir > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. To post to this group, send > email to obsnw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send > email to obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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