Hallo Natasha, I'm sending you a copy of this email which is circulating so that you can prepare yourself. Apologies for forwarding the entire thread but there was no quick way on my device to cut the irrelevant communications which pertain to other noise issues.
Your lighting is obviously causing a problem with your neighbours. I recommend you do something about it so as to compromise with your street community. The alternative is that you will most likely come under fire from the 'community' if you decide to ignore the concerns of the neighbours and this may well put your business into jeopardy. I don't support the idea of strangling people's initiatives and I fully support the concept 33 South offers, however it's wise to understand the rules of engagement and the fine line between a primary use as a residence and that of a commercial enterprise. Is 33 South registered as a business, do you have permission to erect signage or did you go through any process to operate or advertise as a back packers? When you purchased the 'business' what was your understanding of the zoning and operating conditions? I hope you can sort out this issue amicably, I'm in strong support of individuals being able to operate under the GR2 zoning regulations and to rent rooms to foreign students as this is very much part of the Observatory Boho student vibe and of course essential to the success of the many eateries that operate on Lower Main - but if one wants to generate income in this model one needs to ensure the neighbours concerns are addressed. If you need further discussion on this subject please don't hesitate to give me a call and we should meet up. Happy New Year! Barbara Langridge Makulu Lodge Irwell Street Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Marc Turok" <marctu...@telkomsa.net> > Date: 29 December 2016 at 11:01:54 PM SAST > To: <suzbneld...@gmail.com>, "stephen van der spuy" <vanderspu...@gmail.com>, > <obsnw@googlegroups.com>, <smay...@telkomsa.net>, > <patrick.chap...@capetown.gov.za> > Subject: Re: [obsnw] Digest for ob...@googlegroups.codo you have a m - 9 > updates in 1 topic > > Does anyone know when this 33 South became a “Backpackers” and who approved > it? > Was this offensive lighting approved? > It needs to be investigated with the City. > I do not recall anything coming to Architecture and Heritage about this > facility and any changes made in the Obs HPOZ. > Regards, > Marc > > From: suzbneld...@gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 10:05 AM > To: stephen van der spuy ; obsnw@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [obsnw] Digest for ob...@googlegroups.codo you have a m - 9 > updates in 1 topic > > Hi Steven, > Do you have a solution for variations on the disturbance theme? > 33 South Backpackers at 48 Trill Road (the orange house), installed > intrusively bright florescent signage on the pavement in October. Half my > flat is robbed of darkness and many other flats are affected by this rude > flood lighting. > I called the police the day these lights went up and was told to keep > reporting the problem. We at Churchill Mansions have had meetings with > Natasha and her staff about noise and these lights. The noise hasn’t been bad > over the Christmas holidays, but the lights shine relentlessly until someone > remembers to turn them off after sunrise. > I’m itching to do some target practice from my balcony which is less than a > stone’s throw from these fittings. > Have you got a better idea? > Suzanne > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ONW email: o...@obs.org.za >>>> WEB: www.obswatch.org.za >>>> FACEBOOK: facebook.com/obswatch >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Other Useful Obs Numbers: obs.org.za/obsdir >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. To post to this group, send >>>> email to obsnw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send >>>> email to obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this >>>> group at https://groups.google.com/d/forum/obsnw?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood Watch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to obsnw@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> OPS [Obsid Public Safety] - 24/7 control room >>>> >>>> TEL: 021-447-1066 or 072-063-1653 >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> EMERGENCIES: 10111 >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ONW email: o...@obs.org.za >>>> WEB: www.obswatch.org.za >>>> FACEBOOK: facebook.com/obswatch >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Other Useful Obs Numbers: obs.org.za/obsdir >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. To post to this group, send >>>> email to obsnw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send >>>> email to obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this >>>> group at https://groups.google.com/d/forum/obsnw?hl=en >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google Groups "The Observatory Neighbourhood Watch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to obsnw@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> caro...@neville.za.net: Dec 20 05:27PM +0200 >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> Attached are the noise regulations for your information. >>>> Regards >>>> Carolyn Neville >>>> >>>> Trevor Hughes <tghug...@gmail.com>: Dec 20 07:03PM +0200 >>>> >>>> Thanks Carolyn >>>> >>>> I skimmed through the regulation as usual a lot of blah blah blah. But >>>> no mention of times. Clearly amplified music that disturbs is listed, >>>> but not wailing of clerics and ringing of church bells. Disturbing >>>> the peace for you religion is obviously tolerated and allowed tacitly >>>> or implicitly. >>>> >>>> Barbara do you have links to by laws that specify times. >>>> >>>> A noise louder than specified in regulations is not allowed at any >>>> time unless specific permission has been obtained - thats what I took >>>> from that legislation. >>>> >>>> It seems keeping a log is critical. >>>> >>>> Good luck to the OP. >>>> >>>> I don;t think this is an issue for the municipality and I doubt much >>>> joy without an appalling waste of time will be obtained. Perhaps >>>> earplugs and sleeping tablets or a good joint is the way to go. >>>> >>>> Trev >>>> Barbara Anne Langridge <langridge...@gmail.com>: Dec 20 10:59PM +0200 >>>> >>>> Trevor, >>>> >>>> Hence my second point refers. Speak to the neighbour thus relying on >>>> mutual respect. Rather than earplugs and a joint as you have suggested. >>>> >>>> I hardly think recommending use of illegal substances is appropriate when >>>> muchbof our crime in Obz is drug related. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> James Cowley <jamesobs...@gmail.com>: Dec 20 11:51PM >>>> >>>> Hi Mithila >>>> >>>> Glad you having support from Obs stalwarts thus far. Carolyn's advice is a >>>> good way forward. >>>> >>>> If noise persist, SAPS can be contacted to tone them down a few times. >>>> Note down your date/time when calling on them, and results etc. >>>> >>>> If ongoing, Metro Law Enforcement can be called, or asked via OBSID/OPS, to >>>> address them, else the local Obs Metro Law Enforcement Reservist to be >>>> contacted - they can issue fines etc. Also note date/time logs etc. >>>> >>>> I hope your matter is resolved peacefully and quickly. >>>> James >>>> >>>> On 20 December 2016 at 20:59, Barbara Anne Langridge >>>> <langridge...@gmail.com >>>> "Marc Turok" <marctu...@telkomsa.net>: Dec 21 02:31AM +0200 >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> Henk is most experienced on this issue. >>>> As far as I recall, he told us that we can complain whenever we are >>>> disturbed by noise that is disruptive when we are in our homes with doors >>>> and windows closed. >>>> It is particularly legitimate if the disturbance is on-going. >>>> You do not need to wait before you complain. Just keep a record so there >>>> is evidence so the problem is well tracked for evidence, particularly >>>> after each time the neighbours have been warned. >>>> One can even ask OBSID to speak to the neighbours and ask for advice who >>>> to call from Henk or councillor Patrick Chapple. >>>> I do not think it matters if you are an owner or not but you certainly can >>>> deal with it through a land lord if the problem is caused by people who >>>> are renting. >>>> >>>> I believe in speaking to people nicely and telling them that you are >>>> disturbed by the noise and if they could please tone it down. >>>> If you have complained and they have not responded, you need to take firm >>>> action, calling the police if necessary, explaining the problem and then >>>> you have that evidence also when, if it persists, you can lay a charge of >>>> disturbing the peace and it would be best not to confront them too often, >>>> opening yourself up to abuse from them. >>>> If after the problem persists and you have records of evidence, there is a >>>> fair chance that they can be stopped by imposition of a fine, >>>> equipment removed, or eviction with help of authorities. I am not sure but >>>> it is not easy to achieve. >>>> I once resorted to using my hosepipe to wet my neighbours through their >>>> open window but can not recommend this action due to water restrictions >>>> and other reasons. >>>> Good luck and keep us informed what happens. >>>> Marc >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Carolyn Neville >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:41 PM >>>> To: Mithila Orna >>>> Cc: The Observatory Neighbourhood Watch >>>> Subject: Re: [obsnw] Need solution of Noisy problem. >>>> >>>> Hi Mithila >>>> Where do you live? Are you renting or are you an owner? Are the people >>>> upstairs renting? Do you know who the landlord is? >>>> What times of the day are they playing music? >>>> Can you keep a time log of exactly when they are playing music, and then >>>> note down when you go and speak to them to ask them to turn it down, and >>>> what their response is. >>>> If you can do this for a couple of weeks then you are in a better position >>>> to make a complaint to the authorities. >>>> Let me know how it goes. >>>> Best wishes >>>> Carolyn Neville >>>> >>>> >>>> On 20 Dec 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mithila Orna <mithila.orna...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I am Mithila. >>>> I am facing Noisy problem. My upstairs are very rude and always play loud >>>> music in my sleeping time. >>>> I feel always disturb for them. I need help. Need solution. >>>> What should I do now?? >>>> Should I complaint to authorities or take revenge? Any here have done >>>> anything effective? >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> OPS [Obsid Public Safety] - 24/7 control room >>>> >>>> TEL: 021-447-1066 or 072-063-1653 >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> EMERGENCIES: 10111 >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ONW email: o...@obs.org.za >>>> WEB: www.obswatch.org.za >>>> FACEBOOK: facebook.com/obswatch >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Other Useful Obs Numbers: obs.org.za/obsdir >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> The Observatory Neighbourhood watch group. To post to this group, send >>>> email to obsnw@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send >>>> email to obsnw+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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Talk to the offending parties and try to get to some working >>>> relationship. >>>> 2. Phone *10111 and tell them that you have a noise complaint providing the >>>> number and street from which the noise is coming >>>> 3. Record date and times when noise started etc but also ask for I.R. >>>> reference number and name of operator. >>>> 4. 10111 should send a radio signal to Woodstock SAPS who must attend to >>>> the matter. >>>> 5. You can make a complaint say every 20 to 30 minutes. >>>> 6. Keep a record of all complaint, names, references etc etc. (very >>>> important). >>>> >>>> * Alternative Saps and Law Enforcement numbers you will find on >>>> obs.org.za/obsdir/ download and book mark it to your phone it gives a >>>> listing of over 50 Obs Emergency numbers and whilst there have a look at >>>> *Noise >>>> Clubs & Pubs & the Procedure.* >>>> >>>> Whilst this could help it may not be the end of it and that's were the >>>> records come in. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> >>>> Back to top >>>> You have received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for >>>> this group. 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