Thank you Ashish, that's great reading material.  I
particularly enjoyed these two sections:

http://producingoss.com/html-chunk/setting-tone.html#prevent-rudeness

http://producingoss.com/html-chunk/social-infrastructure.html#benevolant-dictator-qualifications

For those keeping tabs, this post is admitingly,
trolling - trying to elicit a response.  Most previous
messages were offering criticism and more importantly,
solutions.

--- Ashish Vijaywargiya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> David,
>  Here is the book "Producing Open Source Software by
> Karl Fogel" link that is freely available........ 
> http://producingoss.com/
>  
>  Regards
>  Ashish Vijaywargiya
> "David E. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote: 
> 
> BJ Freeman wrote:
> > If this is truly a community, and there are people
> involved that really 
> > have knowledge about something, What is the
> Hierarchy of Decisions based 
> > on the ASF way?
> > 
> > Or is this a vialed attempt to look like a
> community with only one 
> > persons Making the decisions.
> > 
> >  From what I have seen certain individuals do
> commit and contribute, 
> > without a problem. So this is not a one man show.
> > 
> > What seems to be the questions is the guidelines
> for making decisions.
> > it is truly a community when all seem to have
> access to the guidelines.
> > 
> > I think getting a set of guidelines for all to
> have access to would 
> > alleviate the pressure felt when there is an
> disagreement.
> 
> I'm not sure what sort of guidelines would be
> applicable here. Because of human nature the
> possible problems arising are nearly limitless...
> 
> Still, I guess the basic structure is simple. The
> committers make the decisions. Of course, part of
> the responsibility of being a committer (as
> described in the OFBiz Committers Roles and
> Responsibilities page, linked to below), is
> facilitating community interaction and
> contributions, so a lot of this "decision making" is
> just review, feedback, and a yes or no decision on
> whether a patch is ready or not. 
> 
> So no, committers don't drive everything that
> happens in the project, but they are the filter that
> everything goes through to try to keep the project
> clean and vital.
> 
> I'll talk more about the already established
> guidelines below.
> 
> > I have purchased the Vol 1 and II and will begin
> reading them this 
> > winter, maybe on the train ride to Portland.
> 
> Which volumes are these? I'm not aware of any books
> (especially specific to OFBiz) that talk about
> decision making guidelines like this... Actually
> there are some books about managing open source
> projects that are interesting, like:
> 
> "Producing Open Source Software" by Karl Fogel
> 
> Note that this is a very general book and is not
> necessarily about the ASF way or the way things are
> done in OFBiz. It is good general commentary and
> I've found it interesting and helpful. It is
> available for download (I have a PDF sitting on my
> machine), but I don't remember exactly where I
> downloaded.
> 
> > So if there are other documents that are involved,
> I will purchase or 
> > read those.
> > 
> > Just point me to the documents that define the
> framework for decision 
> > making on this project.
> 
> The best documents about this for ASF are on the ASF
> site itself. There are quite a few things to read
> through in different places, but a good place to
> start is:
> 
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
> 
> The whole page is good, but the Meritocracy section
> is especially important.
> 
> One things to keep in mind with OFBiz is that much
> of the software is business automation oriented and
> not technical in nature. You'll see a lot of stuff
> written about Linux and other very technically
> oriented projects and those are good places to
> start, but I've found that certain variations on
> those are very important for more business oriented
> open source projects, especially the very few such
> projects that are community rather than corporate
> driven. So, in other words, read lightly and
> consider it input to be refined and then applied.
> 
> There are some OFBiz specific pages that have
> recently been established that cover these sorts of
> guidelines, so here they are:
> 
>
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Committers+Roles+and+Responsibilities
> 
>
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/OFBiz+Contributors+Best+Practices
> 
> A good source of information, BTW, is just glancing
> at the mailing list messages every so often. These
> documents, for example, and the direct result of
> discussions on the dev list and were announced there
> as well.
> 
> -David
> 
> 
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