On Thu, 14 Feb 2008, Shawn Walker wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Justin Erenkrantz
> <justin at erenkrantz.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Shawn Walker <swalker at opensolaris.org>
>> wrote:
>> > > Really? Everyone else, including OpenSolaris Engineering, and everyone
>> > > I know within Solaris engineering had that understanding.
>> >
>> > I think that's my point. *within Solaris engineering*; it was very
>> > poorly communicated to external people.
>>
>> No, it was clearly communicated to me as an external party as part of
>> the pilot program and was a centerpiece of most discussions I had with
>> Sun folks about OpenSolaris. The community needed to own the name,
>> otherwise we all felt that it'd be crippled. And, we were repeatedly
>> assured by Sun that such crippling would not happen. -- justin
>
> The pilot program, which was not public to us, is not recorded
> anywhere, and doesn't apply as far as I'm concerned.
Thats because the Pilot (program) was done under NDA. Of course it
"applies" - because it formed the basis of what is now OpenSolaris (as
in, the Project).
> If those promises were really made, then why is there no written
> record of them given how important they seem to be?
Because it was done under NDA. Because the CAB meet privately with a
few carefully selected Sun representatives. And there was a
gentlemans agreement that it was a private meeting where the
participants openly exchanged thoughts and ideas in an environment of
mutual trust and respect. What was not private were the live press
interviews we did during the meeting and afterwards. Whether *you*
believe it or not is irrelevant. But please don't try to persuade
others, who were not present at the meeting, that what they say
happened at the meeting did'nt happen, or what was heard (at the
meeting) was not said. Please don't imply that Roy and I and others
present are fabricating anything. Its rude and offensive and I take
objection to anyone implying the Roy Fielding would fabricate
anything. Do you see anyone who was present at the original/first
Sun/CAB meeting refuting anything that Roy F has stated? No you
don't; and you won't. Roy is a gentleman and a scholar and has always
acted professionally and truthfully. And has contributed a lot of
time and energy to the Program and tried his very best to ensure that
his knowledge of the most successful open source project in existence
(Apache) was passed on to the CAB and Sun management. And he also
tried to ensure that we (the OpenSolaris Project) would benefit from
their experience and not repeat the same mistakes that they made.
> This sounds more like a game of telephone than it does formal agreement.
Again - this is very rude and obnoxious. And yet you keep persisting
that it did'nt happen etc. You're beginning to sound like one of
those conspiracy theorists that say that the moon landing never
happened....
Regards,
Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. al at logical-approach.com
Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT
OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/
