On Feb 25, 2008, at 21:25, John Sonnenschein wrote:
> I don't want to be free labour for Sun

One thing open source is about is everyone who wants to use a piece of  
code paying their own way to do so because of their personal interest  
in the code, and then benefiting from the synergy that comes from  
synchronising their self-interest with that of others. Everyone is  
free labour for everyone else, and we each take responsibility for  
ourselves.

On Feb 26, 2008, at 10:57, John Sonnenschein wrote:
> And with Sun doing it's own thing in spite of the community

While I and others are doing our very best in good faith to get one of  
the world's oldest large code-bases developed in the open (an effort  
that I believe still has a year or more to run before completion) I  
recognise that this is not yet complete.

If you are totally frustrated by this fact, the source code is freely  
available under the CDDL and you are completely free to develop it  
under your own rules elsewhere. I would rather have your passion and  
skill in the same community as my colleagues, but you are free to do  
so at any time. That's the other thing open source is about.

I continue to be amazed by just how long it takes to change the  
behaviour of a corporation, but that's how it is and no amount of  
bullying by me or anyone makes it go faster. As Dalibor Topic said[1]  
in connection with Java:
> Trying to 'shame' a multi-billion dollar corporation into making one's
> wishes true doesn't really work, as far as I've seen it, and usually
> just pisses the very people off one's trying to work with
> constructively. Been there, done that, learned from it during the
> Harmony founding excursion.


S.


[1] From http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.java.classpath.devel/9160  
- if you're not aware, by patient and charming engagement as a German  
graduate student Dalibor was instrumental in making OpenJDK happen.



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