Hi Octave, I disagree. The point of OpenSolaris was not to open up Solaris development and incorporate everyone's individual opinion and thoughts into Sun's business or technical decisions. OpenSolaris exists so people can work on OpenSolaris; whatever Sun choose's to do (whether wisely or poorly) with its own Sun branded work such as Indiana is up to Sun.
Everyone repeat after me: OpenSolaris does not give me the right to tell Sun what to do. (as much as we'd like to think it does) :) cheers, steve Octave Orgeron wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This does bring up some interesting topics. While I agree it's important for > Sun to protect it's IP during the development phase, the side effect is that > there can be a disconnect when a new technology is released into the > OpenSolaris community. Indiana for example was a huge undertaking and caused > a lot of head *turning*. It would appear to me that this kind of a situation > causes conflict because the community was not involved in the decisions or > the design. So how can we fix this process and prevent such *surprises*? > > Well, I think the best place to start is to have the community drive the > roadmap for OpenSolaris. This means that we as a community come together, > discuss the design choices, and make the decisions. Sun should be involved, > since they have a vested interest in maintaining compatibility, which I > believe is critical for the success of both Solaris and any OpenSolaris > distros. However, the driving force should be the community. So the question > is how do we protect Sun's IP during the design phase of a new technology or > feature, before it's open sourced? And, how do we as a community ensure that > such releases do not negatively affect current community efforts? I think the > answer is that we need the following: > > 1. Define what makes components are part of OpenSolaris. This could be an > academic exercise in looking at what's already open sourced and what will not > be open sourced (CDE for example). > 2. Define an OpenSolaris standard that all distros must comply to for > OpenSolaris branding or to have the right to say "Based on OpenSolaris" or > "OpenSolaris Compliant". > 3. Define a Roadmap for OpenSolaris. This would involve figuring out when > projects will be reviewed and integrated. This also means that Sun would have > to atleast present what the impact of a new technology would be and outline > any proposed changes to the OpenSolaris standard. The community would then > have a say in if it makes sense or not. > 4. Have an open process for reviewing and approving items for integration. > This means that Sun and the community come together and make decisions based > on an agreed foundation of principles. > > This might be idealistic, but I think it could move things in the right > direction. > > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > Octave J. Orgeron > Solaris Systems Engineer > http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/sysadmin/ > http://unixconsole.blogspot.com > unixconsole at yahoo.com > *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MC <rac at eastlink.ca> > To: ogb-discuss at opensolaris.org > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:28:25 PM > Subject: Re: [ogb-discuss] Ben's Agenda Items for Jan 23rd, 2008 > > > > To > expect > Bill > to > make > > public > > statements > is > to > deny > the > OGB > that > > constitutionally-mandated > role, > > and > to > expect > Bill > to > conduct > a > public > discussion > > about > Sun's > > business > with > all > and > sundry > is > an > unreasonable > > expectation > in > my > view. > > I > can > understand > that > one. > Though > there > is > something > fishy > about > Sun > employees > on > the > OGB > talking > privately > to > Sun > employees > representing > Sun > that > I > can't > easily > expound > upon. > > > Glynn > wrote: > > I > think > it's > ok > that > the > new > OGB > members > will > get > to > see > the > old > archives > - > > they'll > be > under > the > same > gentleman's > agreement > as > the > previous > OGB. > > It > is > ironic > to > me > that > you > use > the > term > "gentleman's > agreement", > because > private > discussion > between > any > governors > can > quickly > turn > into > cliquish > gossip > about > the > plebes; > a > gentleman's > club > if > you > will. > > > Casper > wrote: > > There > are > lots > of > things > we > cannot > discuss > in > the > open; > any > discussion > about > persons > for > one. > > That > makes > me > scratch > my > head. > The > OGB > needs > to > talk > in > private > about > people? > Who? > Why? > That > leads > me > to > this: > > Rich > Teer > wrote: > > Private > and > sensitive > issues > were > exactly > why > the > ogb-private > > list > was > set > up. > The > intent > is > that > all > discussion > that > aren't > of > > a > sensitive > nature > take > place > on > ogb-discuss. > > For > a > private > list > to > remain, > I > suggest > you > guys > rigorously > define > what > is > allowed > and > not > allowed > on > the > private > OGB > list. > It > should > be > kept > to > a > minimum, > and > "sensitive > nature" > should > be > defined > for > the > public > to > see. > > And > to > enforce > such > a > rule, > I > imagine > another > rule > would > need > to > be > in > place > allowing > an > OGB > member > to > take > some > action > on > the > allegedly > rule-breaking > comment. > > I > don't > like > politicking > and > I > don't > like > political > overhead. > But > if > you > are > going > to > have > these > things > anyway, > I > do > think > that > systems > need > to > be > in > place > to > maintain > fairness, > prevent > corruption, > and > prevent > the > contradiction > that > is > closed > governance > in > an > open > community. > > MC > -- > This > message > was > posted > from > opensolaris.org > _______________________________________________ > ogb-discuss > mailing > list > ogb-discuss at opensolaris.org > http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/ogb-discuss > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! 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