On 13 October 2014 18:53, Everton Zanella Alvarenga <[email protected]> wrote:
> I want join this discussion later making more general comments, but I want > to say a big +1 to moving OKFestival to other regions of the globe, if we > want to becoe a really OKI, not an OK"I". I am aware of the big challenges > this implies, but we should not fear challenges and I know we can tend to > stay in the confort of our homes trying to change the world. That is pretty > common with the engaged high middle class here in Brazil or those chair > intellectuals (those intellectuals who create theories about the world from > their desks) trying to solve social problems. > Any thoughts on the actual criteria and how we assess them or on the issues about the risks in a move of location (for next year). As I've said earlier I very much appreciate the desire to move around - and share it - but I also see some very real practical facts (re financing, organization etc). > Regardins visa policy in Brazil, it seems to be quite open as compared to > several countries (some European friends are jeaulous when I tell I don't > need a visa to go to Russia ;D): > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Brazil > > Europe is not the center of the world since a long time. > To be clear that has nothing to do with some idea that "Europe being the centre of the world" - as your comment seems to imply - but is driven by practical considerations and the sort of criteria I set out ;-) Rufus > P. S. [Off-topic] Once I saying as a joke (with some trutth behind it) > about the bad location of Wikimedia Foundation office in San Francisco > (awful timezone) whilst enjoying a shade in the northeast of Brazil. I > still wonder, why not an office in the northeast of Brazil? :) > > Cheers, > > Tom > > 2014-10-08 16:01 GMT-03:00 Rayna <[email protected]>: > > Hey all, >> >> Just a quick thought because we are all speaking of immigration policies. >> It is unfortunately quite a mistake to consider that Europe because of >> Schengen is the worst place on Earth. Africa is not much better: visas are >> required for any country. Even though I am a European citizen, I don't get >> that easily through. Visas are applied to other African nationals too, for >> granting an entry to an African country. Personally, I am quite uneasy >> spending money on visas (80 euros minimum for a visa to Ivory Coast for >> instance); I am especially uneasy leaving my fingerprints and being >> physically searched upon arrival and departure in African airports. >> >> I have no idea how it is handled in LatAm or Asia, but I fear there is no >> safe haven :( >> >> As much as I would argue in favour of a non-Western location, I think >> that very few of the actual community will be able to make it without >> financial aid. And it might be far more expensive to take in charge >> 6-10-hour flights for people, for example. >> >> I would thus argue in favour of Berlin for the 2015 edition, and support >> the suggestion someone had in a previous email to start thinking of a new >> non-Western location for 2016 right now. It would more specifically allow >> for a sort of sustainability plan to emerge. I would also vote against >> London not because I don't like it (quite the contrary!) but because Berlin >> is way cheaper in terms of everyday activities and accommodation. Lastly, >> you could also bootstrap some mapping of who has more troubles going to >> Berlin rather than to London. >> >> My 2 cents, >> Rayna >> On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:35:15 +0100, Rufus Pollock <[email protected]> >> said: >> >> > Also and thoughts on the *specific criteria* by which we should >> > evaluate location options? >> >> In addition to the venue itself: >> >> - A place with a humane immigration apparatus so as to allow people >> wishing to attend to do so with as little barrier as possible and >> that treats them with resepect as they cross borders. >> >> - Also a place where good food and decent accommodation is available >> at as low a cost as possible. >> >> In my opinion the first criterion could well do with being extended >> beyond those attending and meetings should not be scheduled in places >> with generally discriminatory immigration policies. Sadly that means >> most of Europe, but if it must be Europe we can pick the best of a bad >> lot. >> >> -w >> _______________________________________________ >> okfn-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> okfn-discuss mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss >> >> > > > -- > Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) > Open Knowledge Brasil - Rede pelo Conhecimento Livre > http://br.okfn.org > > _______________________________________________ > okfn-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/options/okfn-discuss > > -- *Rufus PollockFounder and President | skype: rufuspollock | @rufuspollock <https://twitter.com/rufuspollock>Open Knowledge <http://okfn.org/> - see how data can change the world**http://okfn.org/ <http://okfn.org/> | @okfn <http://twitter.com/OKFN> | Open Knowledge on Facebook <https://www.facebook.com/OKFNetwork> | Blog <http://blog.okfn.org/>* The Open Knowledge Foundation is a not-for-profit organisation. 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