Hi, Nati,
I agree with that general rules. Here’re two clarification:

1.       At runtime, ONAP doesn’t need any commercial license.

2.       Secondly, for normal user, like the broader community, the logs we 
print out is good enough for high level debugging.

However, for advanced users, like we need to looking into java code itself to 
figure out those complex issues, the commercial tools could make those users 
more productive.

We are open to alternative, any suggestion on better debug Camunda than Camunda 
cockpit is highly appreciated.

Regards,

Helen Chen

From: Nati Shalom <na...@cloudify.co>
Date: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 at 11:49 AM
To: Helen Chen 00725961 <helen.c...@huawei.com>
Cc: Seshu m <seshu.kuma...@huawei.com>, onap-tsc <onap-tsc@lists.onap.org>, 
"rd4...@att.com" <rd4...@att.com>
Subject: Re: [onap-tsc] Issue with Camunda cockpit license

Seshu

I think that this is the wrong direction to go.
In general we need to make sure that ONAP is not dependent on such third party 
tools that are blocking developers features and debugging tools which really 
make the tools useless in the broader community context.

Instead of buying license we should simply demand that those features will be 
available to to the community or start looking for alternatives.
OpenSource that are monetizing in those area's are not really open IMO.

Nati S.


On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:56 PM Yunxia Chen 
<helen.c...@huawei.com<mailto:helen.c...@huawei.com>> wrote:
I am second on this one. While we are doing integration testing, Rob from AT&T 
has to export those data, and come back to AT&T to check for it. The Enterprise 
edition license could definitely help speed up the process.

Regards,

Helen Chen

From: <onap-tsc-boun...@lists.onap.org<mailto:onap-tsc-boun...@lists.onap.org>> 
on behalf of Seshu m <seshu.kuma...@huawei.com<mailto:seshu.kuma...@huawei.com>>
Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 7:28 AM
To: onap-tsc <onap-tsc@lists.onap.org<mailto:onap-tsc@lists.onap.org>>
Cc: "rd4...@att.com<mailto:rd4...@att.com>" 
<rd4...@att.com<mailto:rd4...@att.com>>
Subject: [onap-tsc] Issue with Camunda cockpit license

Dear TSC,

Currently SO team is fore-seeing risks on identification and debugging the 
critical issues reported and like to seek help from TSC.
The workflow in the SO uses BPMN and groovy scripts and Camunda cockpit tool 
used for purpose of debugging the state of the BPMN flows.
The issue we have right now is Camunda Cockpit features we are looking for are 
only available with the Enterprise edition license (and this is currently 
available with the ATT).
And it would be great if we could leverage similar license for SO community , 
while I reached out to Camunda.org to get the quote on this and waiting for 
their response.
Please let me know your inputs and I like to discuss this more on up-coming TSC 
meeting.

________________________________
Best regards
Seshu Kumar M
Huawei Technologies India Pvt, Ltd.

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