On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:41 AM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I haven't seen any recent progress on planning the transition for > openoffice.org email. > > > > Sooner or later the openoffice.org mail server will be replaced. We have > seen that the system is flakey and has been down for as much as one week in > the last month. > > > > (1) Mailing Lists. Maps have been proposed to transition the many mailing > lists into fewer lists. > > > > Do all of these openoffice.org mailing list addresses become aliases for > apache.org mailing list addresses? > > > > Please, no. OOo has an 100's of mailing lists, many of then with > very few subscribers and only spam as traffic. > > For example, the "Afar Language" project has 5 separate mailings list, > but only one across them. That is the commit message for the website: > > http://openoffice.org/projects/aa/lists > > Other projects get traffic, but it is entirely spam: > > http://openoffice.org/projects/about/lists/issues/archive > > > So I think we end up, in the end, with a much much smaller number of > lists. Avoid the fragmentation and encourage collaboration. If we > have more than a dozen lists in the end I will be very disappointed. > i agree we don't need all the existing mailing lists. Maybe we should send out a message to all lists that they will go out of maintenance in the near future and that people should join the Apache project. For now the ooo-dev list. > > > What about the subscribers to the mailing lists? Do we need to make them > all resubscribe? > > > > Perhaps we should decide that based on the existing OOo privacy policy. > > > (2) openoffice.org registered users. > > > > Should we have a way to maintain openoffice.org email aliases? Who do we > do this for? > > > > The problem we're going to run into is that there are both official > openoffice.org email addresses, like [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected]. And then there are user > accounts at the same domain, given out rather freely. > > If we are able to, under the site's existing privacy, to audit the > user accounts, we should do so, to ensure that all of the "official" > ones revert to the PPMC. This would include ones that were intended > to be official, as well as ones that may have been accidentally or > even surreptitiously created, with names that imply they represent the > project, e.g., [email protected], either in English or in other > languages. I'm not saying such accounts exist, but it is prudent to > check. > it's a difficult question to answer because from a community point of view we would probably like to keep them all if possible. I would at least request some kind of sign of life from any existing user account that she/he want to keep this alias. I have no real opinion how important a [email protected] email address is for some users, i hope not really important. But who knows? Juergen > > One might fairly point out that at Apache, we also use the same email > domain for official and personal email addresses. This is true. But > apache.org addresses are only given to committers, who have submitted > an iCLA, giving their real name, address, etc. So we have recourses > if such accounts are abused. > > From the branding perspective, I would also be concerned if we had > large numbers of people, not associated with the project, using email > addresses that imply affiliation. > > Am I trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist yet? A fair > question. I'll give an example of the things that we need to watch > out for: > > http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html > > We need to tread very carefully. There are things here that potential > could threaten Apache's non-profit status. I think that we should be > vetting every web page, every email address, every source file, every > online service that we put out as representing this Apache project. > > Also, whatever we do with the forwarding addresses, I'd recommend that > existing users of such addresses switch to something else for their > Apache forwarding addresses. Otherwise there is a real risk that > during the migration that you would miss list traffic. This is > especially important for anyone involved in the migration of the email > forwarding service itself. > > > Do legalities prevent us from retaining the user database? > > > > I have no idea what the best answers are. I do think that the plan does > need to be communicated to places like [email protected]. > > > > Yes. > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > > > > > >
