Ah, now I understand. This is sarcasm. ;-)
Am 08/23/2011 11:37 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.m...@wtnet.de> wrote:
Do you know how much the non-English MLs are used? Why not start with Engish
only?
Does it matter? The English list is getting very little traffic. A
note was sent today asking about interest. I've seen zero affirmative
responses. So I don't think any of the lists will get much traffic.
But it makes sense to JFDI and move on to more important things.
BTW:
Where do you see 30 moderators for the forums?
Three per forum. We don't want a single person to be a bottleneck for
moderation. Otherwise, if you are busy, or traveling or on vacation,
messages and other moderator requests get backed up. So ideally we
want three moderators per list, in different time zones if possible.
Marcus
Am 08/23/2011 10:49 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Marcus (OOo)<marcus.m...@wtnet.de>
wrote:
I can understand Rob's arguement that we have to split ourself to give
support for mailing list(s) and forum in parallel. However, I believe
that
it would be an advantage when the normal, average user has a choice where
to
go to get an answer.
So let's be clear on what we're proposing. In order to give the users
more flexibility, so they don't need to choose between a list or a
forum, so they can just continue to do exactly what they do today,
with no change, we will create, moderate and maintain 10 new mailings
lists, as well as the associated archives:
ooo-users-en.i.a.o
ooo-users-es.i.a.o
ooo-users-hu.i.a.o
ooo-users-it.i.a.o
ooo-users-ja.i.a.o
ooo-users-nl.i.a.o
ooo-users-pl.i.a.o
ooo-users-vi.i.a.o
ooo-users-zh.i.a.o
Is that that idea? If so could we get names for 30 moderators,
please, 3 per forum? .
-Rob
Marcus
Am 08/23/2011 09:50 PM, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton:
+1
There is no one-size fits all here. We should have the list and the
forum. They are not redundant. Some people will use both.
- Dennis
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From: Marcus (OOo) [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 07:05
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Am 08/23/2011 03:29 PM, schrieb Eike Rathke:
Hi Marcus,
On Tuesday, 2011-08-23 11:11:35 +0200, Marcus (OOo) wrote:
And very often they write to the list but aren't subscribed. So they
don't get the answer unless someone is CC'ing them.
That actually is a failure of how the list is setup when it has
Reply-To
pointing to the mailing list address (AKA Reply-To mangling). Without
Reply-To a Reply-All goes to the sender and the mailing list.
Maybe, but they are still not subscribed. So the moderator has to let
the posts through; again and again until the user is subscribed.
In a forum all in one place. You can search, write and can get
answers. It's up to us if a subscription is needed. It would work
without.
Furthermore, I don't think that mailing lists are common for the
average user. But forums are.
Mailing lists are much more accepted by those who actually help because
handling is much easier than any web forum. You can setup your own
scoring, flags, delete unimportant stuff in your personal archive and
so
on. To get the best of both worlds best would be a forum gated to
a mailing list and vice versa. Searching the mailing list would also be
possible at mail-archive.com, or gmane..
Not before they got to know how this is working. In a forum it is
obvious. All is in one place.
What if we just had support forums, but no users list? Would we miss
anything? Would users? Note that phpBB forums allow a person to
subscribe to a forum or a topic, so those who want to receive emails
can. But they would need to go back to the forum website to respond.
And that just sucks.
I don't think that we or the users would miss anything because there
is no chance to miss something as the communitation method is not
existing.
Well, I try to avoid forums whenever possible.
And there are users that try to avoid mailing lists. ;-)
At the end it seems the best solution is still to go 2 ways: ML and
forum.
Marcus
