On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > I am under impression that the license for everything on OOo is PDL, yet > almost nothing fulfills the terms. > > Copyrights are with the Initial Writer. If I can find an Initial Writer I > will mark it - pretty much only in <META> tags although that is whose OOo > back in 2000/2002 created or changed the page or some lists in some places. > > As far as copyright where there is no identified Initial Writer should we: > > (1) Have no copyright. > (2) Put the ASF copyright in place. > (3) Put an Oracle copyright on it. > (4) Put an OpenOffice.org copyright on it. > > We can't do (3) we're not Oracle. We should stop doing (2). > > Unless there is an argument in one direction or another I'll do (1) by Lazy > Consensus. >
What does it mean to "do (1)"? Are you saying to remove the notice in the appendix? > I recommend that as we replace pages with AOOo policies that we create mdtext > replacements as fresh files. > > On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> It would seem that these (few, I believe we're told) can be handled the same >> as unclear provenance anywhere in the code base and its dependencies. >> >> The ideal time to clean these up would be when the site is under the >> OpenOffice.org domain name but actually hosted on Apache infrastructure. >> That gives complete ability to make all of the adjustments that are needed, >> including the numerous minor ones to connect to the Bugzilla, etc. >> >> I'm not clear how migration of the wiki is impacted, unless you mean the >> proposed movement of material now on static web pages into the wiki? > > That is my concern. Kay will need to assure that we know which wiki pages > came in as "PDL" as I think they'll need to stay that way. > >> >> Exactly where are you finding these PDL license notices? The first one I >> found was on the "Open Office.org 3 Installation Guide", a PDF (or ODT) >> reachable from <http://download.openoffice.org/common/instructions.html>. >> If we *don't touch it* can't it be retained until a permissively-licenses >> alternative is needed? I don't see a reason to be concerned that the >> authors/contributors did not properly execute the instructions of the >> license they have offered. > > That's not the concern, the concern is if StarOffice, Sun, and/or Oracle lost > the paperwork. I suppose should we be presented with a copy of the PDL from > an Initial Writer then we fix the issue. > > Regards, > Dave > >> >> - Dennis >> >> RELAXED RETAIN, SUPPLEMENT, AND REPLACE SCENARIO >> >> If the notices are always in standalone documents such as the Installation >> Guide, I don't see any problem making them available the same way they are >> now. They should simply be left intact. They can be replaced by >> non-derivative replacements later, when there are Apache OOo releases that >> require different information. I don't see why we have to hurry. >> Instructions for existing releases remain valuable to keep around. I >> suggest preserving them right where they are, where people expect to find >> them. >> >> When there are releases from Apache OOo, supplementary documents could be >> offered. That would be another way to provide specific information >> applicable to later releases. I see considerable time before these >> PDL-licensed documents need to be supplanted. They might be retained for a >> very long time. >> >> >> - Dennis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 14:33 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Concerns about all PDL website material >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I am stuck on a licensing issue with the OpenOffice.org website and I >>>> begin to doubt if can do much with it other than rehost and correct >>>> obvious changes in policy. >>>> >>>> Please look at http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.html >>>> >>>> (Whether the PDL is category A for Apache is a follow up, but there is no >>>> point without resolving the following.) >>>> >>>> Specifically look at: >>>> >>>>> Required Notices. >>>>> You must duplicate the notice in the Appendix in each file of the >>>>> Documentation. If it is not possible to put such notice in a particular >>>>> Documentation file due to its structure, then You must include such >>>>> notice in a location (such as a relevant directory) where a reader would >>>>> be likely to look for such a notice, for example, via a hyperlink in each >>>>> file of the Documentation that takes the reader to a page that describes >>>>> the origin and ownership of the Documentation. If You created one or more >>>>> Modification(s) You may add your name as a Contributor to the notice >>>>> described in the Appendix. >>>>> You must also duplicate this License in any Documentation file (or with a >>>>> hyperlink in each file of the Documentation) where You describe >>>>> recipients' rights or ownership rights. >>>>> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>>> Appendix >>>>> Public Documentation License Notice >>>>> The contents of this Documentation are subject to the Public >>>>> Documentation License Version 1.0 (the "License"); you may only use this >>>>> Documentation if you comply with the terms of this License. A copy of the >>>>> License is available at __________________[Insert hyperlink]. >>>>> The Original Documentation is _________________. The Initial Writer of >>>>> the Original Documentation is ___________ Copyright (C)_________[Insert >>>>> year(s)]. All Rights Reserved. (Initial Writer >>>>> contact(s):________________[Insert hyperlink/alias]). >>>>> Contributor(s): ______________________________________. >>>>> Portions created by ______ are Copyright (C)_________[Insert year(s)]. >>>>> All Rights Reserved. (Contributor contact(s):________________[Insert >>>>> hyperlink/alias]). >>>>> NOTE: The text of this Appendix may differ slightly from the text of the >>>>> notices in the files of the Original Documentation. You should use the >>>>> text of this Appendixrather than the text found in the Original >>>>> Documentation for Your Modifications. >>>> >>> >>> Does it ever actually require that someone fill in the blanks in the >>> Appendix? I see that it requires one to duplicate the notice in the >>> appendix. And it permits (but does not require) initial writers and >>> contributors to add their names to the Appendix. >> >> If no one seems to ever provide this information then what can we assume? If >> there is no Initial Writer then who holds the copyright? Where's the >> paperwork? Where does that leave us? Square one on the website and anything >> derived from PDL? >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> >>>> I can find no answer to the question about who are the initial writers and >>>> further contributors are for all most all web pages. There are some that >>>> have meta tags, but that is not following the terms. >>>> >>>> Can anyone provide help here? Do most pages have an "INitial Writer" and >>>> "Contributor" of Oracle Corporation? >>>> >>>> Would we need to see if the archives from prior to the kenai migration >>>> have enough history to determine "Initial Writers" and "Contributors"? >>>> >>>> Where are these appendices? >>>> >>>> I don't see any point in working on the OOo website or transfers to MWiki >>>> or CWiki without clarification. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave >> > >
