On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > Concerning subscriptions to many lists in order to make announcements, etc., > I think if you have an OpenOffice.org ID, it will go rather smoothly. You > can then use the web pages that provide subscribe buttons for blocks of lists > and work rather quickly. The archive view (useful in knowing how [in]active > a list is) also has a form for sending a message to the just-subscribed list. > > There may be some of these lists where the project is considered private and > subscription is moderated. I know there are lists, such as announcement@ > OO.o where the posts are also moderated. >
FWIW, I'm only looking at "community" discussion lists. I'm not touching any uni-directional "utility" lists, like ones that echo bug reports, commit notifications, etc. > Here are the www mailing lists: <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>. > You must be logged in to see the Subscribe buttons and other information. To > make a post, go to the archive, open any message, and then select Reply to > List in the little pull-down on the form. > > The Projects mailing lists are on the Projects A-Z tab of > <http://openoffice.org/projects>. Each project has its own page for managing > all of its subscriptions, subscribing, etc. (Again, I think you must be > logged in to OpenOffice.org to see everything that is on these pages.) > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 05:57 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Proposal] Shutting down legacy OOo mailing lists > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> On 10/17/2011 09:20 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Dave Fisher<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Oct 17, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Dave >>>>> Fisher<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I like your proposal. I have some comments inline. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 16, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm making a proposal now to shut down the legacy OOo mailing >>>>>>> lists and direct the existing subscribers to one of the AOOo >>>>>>> mailing lists. I realize that this is not the solution that >>>>>>> many of us would prefer, but I believe that it is the best >>>>>>> way forward that anyone is willing to volunteer to lead. >>>>>>> Please delight me by proving me wrong on this, by objecting >>>>>>> this this proposal *and volunteering to do an alternative >>>>>>> migration*. But this approach is more graceful than the >>>>>>> default, if we do nothing, of just having the lists just go >>>>>>> down one day and not recover. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Proposal: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If not one objects and offers to lead a different transition >>>>>>> plan, in one week I will do the following: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) Make a list of all public legacy OOo mailing lists that >>>>>>> have received at least 5 non-spam email in 2011. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) Publish that list on the wiki, along with : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a) the language predominately spoken on the list, if not >>>>>>> English >>>>>>> >>>>>>> b) the recommended AOOo list that existing subscribers should >>>>>>> be pointed to. >>>>>> >>>>>> c) the list's OOo/Kenai project. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No objections to having that info on the wiki, but I don't see >>>>> where that info helps with the migration. >>>>> >>>>>> At the end of the week the ML list should be incorporated in >>>>>> the OOo properties that Dennis and I are "noodling" over. >>>>>> (Language is another property.) >>>>>> >>>>>>> 3) I will then draft, in English, a post to be send to the >>>>>>> above lists. >> >> Some of the lists in question may be moderated. Hopefully you/we won't run >> into any issues about that. >> > > Hi Kay, > > Could you explain what the issue would be here? I was assuming I > would join each of the mailing lists, in order to send the > notification post. I'd then be there on the list to also answer any > questions. Are there lists that I cannot subscribe to without > moderator approval? Do you know which ones? > > -Rob > > >> The post will talk about the overall effort of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the migration to Apache, the specific migration of the >>>>>>> mailing lists, and invite the subscribers to stay informed >>>>>>> and to participate in the new Apache lists. Information on >>>>>>> how to subscribe will be provided. A shutdown date, for the >>>>>>> legacy lists will be included, two weeks from the posting >>>>>>> date. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be good to co-ordinate this message with a general >>>>>> timeline for the OOo migration. We should be clear about what >>>>>> is NOT being migrated and what is possible if the community >>>>>> disagrees.. >> >> Yes. We definitely need to work on such a statement (wiki page) >> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Great. If we have a good statement on overall migration, we can >>>>> include that. Or if it is still "work in progress" I can link to >>>>> a wiki page where the latest info can be found. But there is no >>>>> technical requirement for us to figure everything out before we >>>>> move forward on independent pieces that we do understand. We've >>>>> done that already in other areas, like source code, issue >>>>> tracking, and soon the forums. And in general, it is to our >>>>> benefit to move ahead with the pieces we do understand, >>>>> especially communications vehicles, so we're not caught in a bad >>>>> situation if the legacy servers unexpectedly became unavailable. >>>>> It is prudent to ensure that we have the main means of >>>>> communication solidly on Apache servers sooner rather than >>>>> later. >>>> >>>> It will certainly be a work in progress, the more the ML changes >>>> are put in the context of the total migration the better. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4) I will invite volunteers to translate the draft post into >>>>>>> other languages. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 5) I, and whatever volunteers wish to help, will send the >>>>>>> posts to the lists. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6) The note will be repeated a week later. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 7) After two weeks we request via Oracle that the Kenai >>>>>>> admins close the lists, per: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/ManageProject#MailingLists >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >> [ this para is from Dave's response. I don't know why it's not staying >> put...sorrry!] >> In the three to four weeks that it will take to get to step (7) AOOo and >> Apache Infra should have control over the openoffice.org MX records. An >> easier alternative would be to decide what MX services we want to continue >> on openoffice.org and do the MX migration at this point. Even if it will >> bounce and/or forward email. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'd be opposed to any automatic forwarding of list traffic or >>>>> indiscriminate transferring of subscriptions from the legacy >>>>> lists. Several of the legacy lists are are over-run by spammers. >>>>> An earlier poster said they get 80-120 moderation requests per >>>>> day. We have a good opportunity to "clean house" and to leave >>>>> the spammers behind. >>>> >>>> Let's not forget that there are a number of people who make use of >>>> their @openoffice.org email address. We owe it to these people to >>>> give them some time to react if these are being dropped. There are >>>> also implications with BZ - at least in bug ownership and accounts. >>>> We've "bikeshedded" on these addresses, we now need a plan. If >>>> someone cares enough about openoffice.org personal email addresses >>>> we'll need volunteers to work out the details. >>>> >>> >>> Nothing I've proposed will impact the @openoffice.org mail >>> forwarding service. That is an independent issue that we need to >>> develop a plan for and communicate. But it is reasonable that when we >>> announce mailing list changes that we'll also get questions related >>> to the forwarding service. >>> >>> It makes me think that we would benefit from a single user-facing >>> page on the current status of the migration. What has moved, what >>> hasn't, what the general plan is. Something with a lot less >>> technical detail than we have on the wiki right now. A high level >>> summary that we can point users to. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>>> Regards, Dave >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Rob >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> MzK >> >> "There is no such thing as coincidence." >> -- Leroy Jethro Gibbs, Rule #39 >> > >
