On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote:
> Martin, > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > > > >> On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: > >>> Hi Martin; > >>> > >>> --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote: > >>> ... > >>>> On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > >>>>> On 16 November 2011 16:56, Martin Hollmichel > >>>>> <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>> ... > >>>>> > >>>>> What kind of a "release" are you talking about. OOo > >>>>> releases can only be made from the Apache Software > >>>>> Foundation. Perhaps you are planning a downstream > >>>>> release that conforms to our trademark policy. > >>>>> > >>>>> Please let us know your plans. > >>>> we're offering to provide an interim release of > >>>> OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with a joint messaging of ASF and Team > >>>> OpenOffice.org. This would fill the gap between the 3.3.0 > >>>> release from beginning of this year (with some known severe > >>>> issues) and the first AOO release in the future. I'm > >>>> convinced that this proceeding will help strengthen the > >>>> trust in OpenOffice.org / AOO. > >> > >> Based on the very little bit of information provided here on the Apache > lists, I can't see how your plans would possibly be approved by the ASF. > >> > >> Obviously, having more information about your plans, and being able to > see your work in the form of patches or commits to the AOO podling's > Subversion tree would be a great start to be able to do this kind of work. > >> > >> So my first suggestion is to start doing some of the actual coding work > here, on the ooo-dev@ list. Then, work with the podling to show the PPMC > that this is a good idea, and deserves to proceed together with the > excellent progress the PPMC is making on the 3.4 release. > >> > >> Then, if the PPMC has a clear consensus to work with such an interim > release plan, we can discuss any trademark, legal, or press/messaging > questions you might have. > > > > What is difficult for me to understand is that both Stefan Taxhet and > Martin Hollmichel signed up as Initial Committers to the Apache project, > but have never signed an iCLA. There are many more than four people > involved. > > > > The Team OpenOffice website must immediately acknowledge that > OpenOffice.org is a registered trademark of the Apache Software Foundation. > > > > The Team OpenOffice site must recognize the Apache project. > > > > I don't think a joint statement is appropriate without properly > respectful actions beforehand. > > The following text on the teamopenoffice.org site is still in place! > > > Your donation counts: Save OpenOffice.org! > > The world needs a free, open source office software – but the genuine > article is under threat. We don’t want to let this happen! > > Ridiculous! openoffice.org is the Apache project - the genuine article is > not under threat. > > It has been a month since: > > > http://www.itworld.com/it-managementstrategy/213997/apache-disavows-team-openofficeorg-ev > > I really feel that the individuals on the project want to welcome Team OOo > to the project, I know I do. > Absolutely agree. These guys are very welcome to align with this project. > > It is my feeling that Team OOo should make a proposal to the AOOo PPMC > about how they wish to use the OpenOffice.org brand. > > +1 We will continue to ask for this, but in the meantime, the web site language you cite above must come down. There is no 'threat' to OpenOffice.org. > Regards, > Dave > > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > > >> > >> - Shane > >> > >>>> > >>> > >>> As much as we would like to do an interim release I am > >>> afraid there are issues that won't make it possible: > >>> > >>> - Apache releases have to be approved by the PPMC and > >>> can only be released under an Apache License. > >>> - The old OpenOffice.Org made available 3.4 RC, releasing > >>> 3.3.1 would not give the right signal wrt continuity. > >>> - The ASF, through the PPMC, cannot approve code that it > >>> hasn't seen and AFAICT Team OOo hasn't been very visible > >>> here in the community (sorry if I just missed it). > >>> > >>> This said, 3.4 is advancing very nicely. I don't want to > >>> hurry things but I think we are moving in the right > >>> direction. > >>> > >>> Pedro. > >>> > >>> > > > >
