On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > All I know is that > > http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to > the lists that are still operating.
> > http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404. > > That's not a speculation. Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you get. wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";> <head> .... <div class="contentPadding"> <h2 class="pageTitle">Not Found</h2> <!-- This file lives in public/404.html --> <div style="padding: 10px 0 10px 0;"> The page you were looking for doesn't exist.<br/> You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved. </div> <a href="#" onclick="history.back(); return false;"><span class="bullet">«</span> back</a> | <a href="/">home <span class="bullet">»</span></a> </div> ... </body> </html> You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these urls. Users do not have any expectation other than a 404. > > So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index page) to > http://www.openoffice.org, no deep linking into openoffice.org will redirect, > is that right? KENAI does this redirect, not us. We do NOT need to redirect anything in the http://openoffice.org/projects/ path. We are leaving that legacy behind. > And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see ooo-site.apache.org/ > ... paths, is that that the idea? They will have the same IP. > > OK, so that explains why there is no worry about recursion if > ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ redirects to > openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ as Joe suggests. I prefer that part of it > also. There is no worry because we just don't need it. I won't ask Joe to do it. > > I know how to do that on my own web sites, whether using .htaccess or meta > elements in page headers. For ooo-site, not so much. For the future, meta elements should work just fine. > > And I am now going off list for a time while I sort out other work. Me too. A lot to TRY to convince you that there is no worry and no need. Regards, Dave > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:42 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! > > > On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> Now I'm even more confused. >> >> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or >> will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, >> since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there? > > No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level. > > http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai it > gives a 404. Nothing to worry about. > > The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ > > Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate. > > Regards, > Dave > > > >> >> - Dennis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19 >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org >> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >> >> >> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> >>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org" >>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing >>> is about. We're doing "www.openoffice.org", >>> aren't we? >> >> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick. >> >> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects >> them to http://www.openoffice.org/. >> >> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues: >> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe >> to the old lists.) >> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off. >> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access. >> >> There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These >> will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should stop >> us from migration. >> >> I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've >> asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to >> http://openoffice.org/projects/ and >> http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. would be welcome additions. CTR >> people! >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <hims...@orcmid.com> >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; 'Joe Schaefer' <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM >>>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>> >>>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the >>>> lists that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: >>>> >>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>. >>>> >>>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if >>>> already subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page. Also, >>>> the archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly form. >>>> This is how one can read the list using a browser and there is even a way >>>> to post to the list via the web interface. >>>> >>>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement and >>>> use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely on >>>> this, including TJ for administrative functions. >>>> >>>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of >>>> the web site. There is no reminder or announcement about that. >>>> >>>> - Dennis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:joe_schae...@yahoo.com] >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59 >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>> >>>> Why does one have to do with the other? >>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for >>>> openoffice.org now are we? >>>> >>>> [ ... ] >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >
