Thanks Pedro for explaining the non-profit angle. The ASF does not
offer any such certificates currently - it's hard to see how they work
with our primary mission (of the ASF overall), which is providing
software for the public good.
There are plenty of other third parties who do this kind of thing, both
in terms of training, and in terms of education and the real world.
Presuming those third parties respect our brand and trademarks, that
model works out better for everyone, since they can focus on the
training and ensuring the certifications are meaningful and fairly awarded.
One model that Apache (and many projects) do participate in is Google's
Summer of Code, so that might be a place to look for project ideas or
just ask for help, either from the GSoC folks or from the various Apache
projects (including this podling, right?) participating:
http://community.apache.org/gsoc.html
- Shane
On 2012-03-29 1:21 AM, q...@imsoftwaresystems.com wrote:
Hi Pedro Giffuni,
You are absolutely right, i could not think the other side it(exploiting&
making money inexchange of certificates). The certificates are issyed by
Apache and issued only when there is a contribution.
The second point is that most of the students generally do not have any
ideas on projects. When a person is seriously working on the project, i am
not sure how much time he/she can spend guiding/mentoring the
students/freshers.
With out any benefit to the student/fresher i am not sure how many people
will be willing to contribute because they should be able to show the
contribution as experience in their resumes.
Thanks& Regards,
Ram,
Im Software Systems.
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 21:37:56 -0700 (PDT), Pedro Giffuni<p...@apache.org>
wrote:
Hi Ram;
We are strictly non-profit here so I am not sure how far
we could go with such certifications. I think it's a
delicate matter and sooner or later someone would likely
complain about students being exploited or your company
making money in exchange of ASF certificates.
We certainly can have a Wiki page for students to register
their projects and ideas and if their projects are really
good we would almost certainly invite them to become
Apache committers but that as far as we can go (I think).
cheers,
Pedro.
--- Mer 28/3/12, q...@imsoftwaresystems.com ha scritto:
Hi Rob,
Well, the large talent pool is available here in India with
millions of
students graduating in Engineering,MCA(Master of computer
applications).
They all look for a project for their final semester. We can
somehow try to
attract them but they also try to see what is the
benefit for them. Most
of these guys they learn C/Java as part of their
syllabus.But we need to
retrain them as they generally just try to pass and
not to be master of
it.
So we need to train them and make them useful.
I have not seen the code base yet but based on the search
results what i
have understood is that it is implemented in
Java,
OOBasic,
Cpp,
Python,
XSL,
ooRexx
From Freshers point of view they prefer the new languages
like
Java(ofcourse it is a old one but still new when compared to
C/C++) or
advanced stuff like Android. But still we can train people
in C++ but it is
easy to attract people for Java.
If we know the exact requirement of people then we can try
to gather the
people and train them and make them good to contribute to
the project.
We have a software training institute and staff are from top
MNC's.Lot of
students approach us for Live Projects to gain some real
experience.
So we may try to accept the people and train them. We charge
the students
for training as we have to pay the trainers.
Ultimately what students expect is an experience letter from
Apache so that
they can utilise it for future employment. In addition to
issuing the
certificate we should have their contribution mentioned in
our website
otherwise other job seekers will fake the cetificates.
I think if the company(Apache) is ready to issue a
certificate mentioning
their contribution towards the project and list their
contribution in AOO
website then it should definetly work.
Thanks& Regards,
Ram,
Im Software Systems
