On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> > >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti<pesce...@apache.org> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Kay Schenk wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page for the new > >>>>> /download/index.html page at: > >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html< > http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html> > >>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the top that I > wanted > >>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me dubious. > >>>> > >>>> We have another thread > >>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.** > >>>> ooo.devel/16219< > http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219> > >>>> where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that: > >>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based downloads > >>>> 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it for the updates (i.e., > >>>> downloads initiated by OpenOffice with the "Look for updates" > function) > >>>> > >>>> > >>> That's what I understand as well. > >>> > >> > >> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3 DLs as well > >> -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know right now, we're using > >> SourceForge for that though. > >> > >> > >> > >>> The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I haven't > understood > >>>> yet > >>>> what technology Apache will be using and if Apache will distribute > only > >>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a project will > release > >>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache wants to put > >>>> binaries on its mirrors too: I think so). > >>>> > >>> > >> Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at the security > >> patch info page... > >> > >> http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html< > http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html> > >> > >> and you can see what the link looks like. > >> > >> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in: > >> > >> http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/< > http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/> > >> > >> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down problems. > >> Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in my opinion. I > thought we > >> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've gotten a > >> dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think is was 100% > someplace > >> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have though. > >> > >> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment they may be > one > >> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go someplace else > with > >> an entirely different look and feel. > >> > >> > >> > >>>> Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as possible, > >>>> mainly to > >>>> be able to quickly identify problems, and you will see details in that > >>>> thread. The cleaner separation we can get, the better. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> So how about something very simple: > >>> > >>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the > >>> /download/index.html page. Just like they are doing today. > >>> > >> > >> This WOULD make things a lot simpler. > >> > >> > >>> But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors for: > >>> > >>> a) Hashes and detached signatures > >>> b) source distribution > >>> c) a link to the full release tree > >>> > >> > >> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main page for > >> openoffice.org they have, right? > >> > >> Anyway, good conversation. > >> > >> > >>> In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy. 100% of normal > >>> users will download from SF. > >>> > >>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two, then we > >>> decide what we want to do. Maybe we do it via SF. Maybe MirrorBrain. > >>> Maybe a mix, > >>> > >>> On the other side, release time is approaching and I can only hope > that > >>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache Infra, that > had > >>>> started on this list, are progressing now. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence how we deal > >>> with AOO 3.4 initial downloads. But maybe the update downloads in a > >>> couple of weeks. > >>> > >>> -Rob > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>>> Andrea. > >>>> > >>> > >> -- > >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** > >> ------------ > >> MzK > >> > >> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you > >> And life has a funny way of helping you out > >> Helping you out." > >> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette > >> > > > > > > Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on the new > > download/index.html -- > > > > prototype at: > > > > http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html > > > > This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the 3.4 pre-built client packs > > will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc. > > > > Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out there and > > there is a TON of alerts which I will of course eventually comment out. > > > > > > It suddenly dawned on me *just today* that we don't want to continue to > > generate links for OSes we no longer support now, like Sun's retinue, and > > for some reason because of how this all operates, it took me forever to > fix > > this one aspect. I could have not bothered with this but well, I didn't > > want to lead folks astray with a "not found" -- so they will now get sent > > to "other.html". > > > > So, please test with what you've got and I hope for ALL platforms that we > > do support, you get a link that looks to be correct. > > > > The link looks good for me, including the trailing "/download" that > SourceForge needs. > > A few things: > > 1) Text should be 'Apache OpenOffice' not 'OpenOffice.org' > Ok-- I did miss this... > > 2) Google Analytics needs to enable on the page. > OK, I'll add this... > > 3) We need to get a link to the source code in there someplace. > again, OK, I'll add to the "options" box below the main light green BIG DL area > > 4) The original page had a link for extensions and templates. The new > one only has extensions. Was this intentional? > Hmmm...OK, maybe I started out with an older copy and templates got added later. I will add this section. > > Otherwise, it looks good! > > I can help with some of these, especially #2, but I'll wait to see if > there are any bigger changes first. > ok, good... I will make these mods today and post another revision -- maybe even without the "alerts" if I'm feeling more confident! :/ > > -Rob > > > > ps. I'm assuming that we will house the actual "source" artifact from > > Apache and this will show up in other.html as well when someone provides > > this information. > OK, I see Jurgen's message on this one...Apache instructions say NOT to use a direct link to "/dist" so I'll sue closer.cgi on source link only and hope for the best. onward and upward... > > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > MzK > > > > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you > > And life has a funny way of helping you out > > Helping you out." > > -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette > -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out." -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
