I know that as a Mentor (only for Flex) my responsibility is to guide the community to sustainability. Most of the time I am quiet, respond when needed and let the project make its own decisions.
Note that Christian, an original Mentor, recently asked about graduation. I won't speculate on why the other mentors have been quiet on this thread. Every reason is different. Regards, Dave On Jul 18, 2012, at 7:18 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: > On 7/18/12 3:49 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org> >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Cc: hagar.del...@laposte.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:26 AM >>> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) >>> >>> Hagar Delest wrote: >>>> You've taken the fun out of it. ... >>>> As a consequence, I resign from my PPMC role and will unsubscribe the >>>> dev & private mailing lists right now. >>> >>> It's a very sad (hopefully temporary) consequence. >>> >>> It proves that the OpenOffice project is not mature yet: it can still >>> happen >>> that one person's (well-meant) behavior can force a valuable contributor >>> out >>> of this project without this contributor having done anything against the >>> project. >>> >>> This community must become stronger and more welcoming: we've improved a >>> lot >>> in handling localization volunteers recently, and further improvements will >>> come >>> naturally. But we can't afford to lose community volunteers this way. >> >> Well yes the loss is disappointing, let's hope he reconsiders. But as I have >> said before, this project has a rather serious "human resource shortfall" >> when >> it comes to the www.openoffice.org website. There are literally thousands >> upon >> thousands of pages there, some of it in languages foreign to the existing set >> of committers, and of Dave's 20 or so volunteers who have contributed so far, >> significantly less than 100 pages have been touched by human hands over >> the past year- other than through Dave's sledgehammers to sitewide header and >> footer templates. As a mentor that remains an ongoing unsolved problem for >> this >> group to pay some attention to. Let's not lose sight of the big picture >> here. >> >> So instead of entirely focusing on the potential loss of a key individual, I >> will >> continue to advocate the position that we encourage people to get actively >> involved >> in the care and upkeep of the site, starting with fellow committers on the >> project >> and expanding to potential interested parties on this list. >> > > yes it is always good to encourage people to get actively involved, > attract new developers, new translators, new forum admins, etc. > Everybody should do what's possible and in the scope of their interest. > Our project is so huge that their is place for everybody and we the > project members accept this and welcome everybody. > > If Hagar really step back and won't continue his great job it will be a > big lost. We appreciate your work and what you did for the > infrastructure, the CMS and everything else you do here or for other > projects. But in this special case you completely failed and it is even > more worse because you are a mentor. I am sure that nobody in this > project (excepting other mentors who are surprisingly quite) support > what you have done or better how you have tried to address this. But I > hope that you have learned your lesson as well from this. > > I am personally not happy with the whole story but believe that we will > come stronger out of it and hopefully with Hagar!!! > > Related to your concerns regarding the web pages, they need indeed a > cleanup and a lot of redesign and I think we have already thought about > it. But it is not the only working area that needs our focus and we > lived with the content for a while now. You can't grab volunteers from > trees like ripe apples ;-) > > Juergen > >
