I'm still thinking on this... I understand that it would be cleaner software design wise not to add a third agent -- but I am worrying about the dynamics... it seems that to get the dynamics right inside the AF we want STI to be coursing around really fast within the AF, and that this will get screwed up if the AF importance-spreading loop has to wait for spreading from the fringe which may be a couple orders of magnitude slower than spreading just from the AF ...
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 2:20 AM, Roman Treutlein <lordmor...@gmail.com> wrote: > Using this for all AF spreading with a default K of 1 and using a higher K > with a certain probability. Seems like a cleaner solution then have 2 > different spreading mechanisms for the AF. > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 7:27:50 PM UTC+2, Matthew Ikle wrote: >> >> Ahh — I was thinking that the default setting for K would be one but that >> this would change for specific contexts. >> >> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org> wrote: >> >> Rather than introduce a new third method, it seems to me that we could >> simply replace the spreading of importance from everything in the AF with >> the spreading of importance K links out, where the value of K might be >> determined from context. >> >> >> >> I just worry that would result in the internal AF STI-spreading >> happening too slowly, thus screwing up attractor-formation dynamics >> inside the AF ... >> >> After all, spreading 3 links out from X may take 100x or 1000x or 10Kx >> more effort than spreading only from X, right? >> >> >> >> The “third method” really just seems to me to be a generalized version of >> AF spreading rather than a new method. As Roman points out, the actual >> mechanics of how to spread K links out also needs to be determined. >> >> —matt >> >> On Sep 12, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org> wrote: >> >> A somewhat interesting point came up in discussions w/ Misgana re ECAN >> today... >> >> So far we have been working on two methods of attention allocation: >> >> -- spreading importance from everything in the AttentionalFocus, >> frequently >> >> -- spreading importance from everything in the Atomspace, but more >> slowly (by sampling Atoms from the Atomspace with probability >> proportional to STI, and then spreading from each Atom as it's >> sampled) >> >> But we have seen a need now for a third method >> >> -- iterating through every X in the AttentionalFocus, and spreading >> importance K links out from X (where, say, K=2 or 3) >> >> The practical use-case that made this requirement clear was: rapidly >> boosting the importance of question-answers, that contain words which >> are in the AF.... The question-answers are ImplicationLinks, which >> point to ListLinks, which point to words ... so to get STI to the >> ImplicationLink, a word in the AF needs to send STI to the ListLink >> which then needs to send STI to the ImplicationLink... >> >> But more generally one can view this as an importance-spreading agent >> aimed at spreading activity from the AttentionalFocus to the "Fringe" >> of consciousness -- those things that one can feel at the back of >> one's mind, on the edge of one's consciousness ... one is aware they >> are there but not quite aware of what they are, but one can generally >> with effort pull them into one's awareness... >> >> Sometimes spreading enough STI into the Fringe will cause something in >> the Fringe to get boosted into the AttentionalFocus .... >> >> -- Ben >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> Super-benevolent super-intelligence is the thought the Global Brain is >> currently struggling to form... >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to opencog+u...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to ope...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CACYTDBdGNipWfnguuZY%2ByyGtnCxAKoXfqoTiYMSsGcqj0rQ5Mw%40mail.gmail.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to opencog+u...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to ope...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/1F463D95-D0D5-4B95-9D4D-092C0EEFDDFC%40gmail.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> Super-benevolent super-intelligence is the thought the Global Brain is >> currently struggling to form... >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to opencog+u...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to ope...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CACYTDBepQVSPMh__wu%2BR2yUjQmCT6ofUr0enxcJttGM0Xbamzg%40mail.gmail.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to opencog@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/f7c5efcb-48b3-4e22-8553-a11e9f7e8cd7%40googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org Super-benevolent super-intelligence is the thought the Global Brain is currently struggling to form... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. 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