Hi Melanie, I can get in first since Hugh will be /should be asleep!!
The answer is yes. EQL is now referred to as AQL. I saw a demo recently and it is starting to look really impressive. More here: http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/spec/openEHR+Query+Specifications although things have moved on from there quite a bit within the Ocean implementation. Ian Dr Ian McNicoll office / fax +44(0)141 560 4657 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com ian at mcmi.co.uk Clinical Analyst Ocean Informatics openEHR Archetype Editorial Group Member BCS Primary Health Care SG Group www.phcsg.org / BCS Health Scotland 2009/11/13 Melanie Spath <melanie.spath at gmail.com> > Hi Hugh, > > Just a quick question, is AQL related to EQL (referring to: MEDINFO 2007, > EHR Query Language (EQL) ? A Query Language for Archetype-Based > Health Records, by Chunlan Ma, Heath Frankel, Thomas Beale, Sam Heard)? > > Thanks for the answer. > > Melanie. > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:18 AM, Hugh Leslie < > hugh.leslie at oceaninformatics.com> wrote: > >> Hi Melanie >> >> We have also just completed a project for an Australian cancer >> epidemiology center where we converted all their 20 years of data to openEHR >> - about 1.5 million compositions and 25GB of data. To do this we had to do >> a lot of modeling (although in the end, they did most of that themselves) >> and that experience and some of the archetypes that came out of it might be >> of interest to you. They are now doing poplulation queries across the whole >> dataset using AQL. Very exciting! >> >> regards Hugh >> >> >> On 11/11/2009 9:51 PM, Melanie Spath wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks for the great advice, it is very helpful. >> >> I am actually aiming at developing "research" or "omic" archetypes (e.g. >> test results from experiments on patient specimen, e.g. from >> genomic/proteomic/metabolomic experiments etc.), since my background is in >> genetics. The reason for this is to be able to integrate clinical patient >> and scientific research data to support biomedical knowledge discovery. In >> this, I am collaborating with a prostate cancer bio-resource which collects >> specimen from prostate cancer patients. A biobank contains clinical patient >> information and the "omic" information. I am planning to use this biobank as >> a test-bed for an "archetyped" biobank information system. >> >> As a start I was trying to see how much of the clinical content in the >> biobank could be modelled with existing archetypes (to avoid duplicate >> effort) and to discover "holes". Some of the information could be modelled >> with existing archetypes (e.g. results of histopathological analysis with >> the openEHR-EHR-CLUSTER.microscopy_prostate_carcinoma.v1 archetype), but for >> others I could not find suitable archetypes (this in itself was not an easy >> task, I think there needs to be another discussion on a different >> thread/list about the difficulties of matching database fields to existing >> archetypes/fields in existing archetypes). I wasn't sure if the >> non-existence of archetypes for radio/hormone/chemotherapy was because they >> hadn't been developed yet or because it was envisaged that other existing >> archetypes could be used to model these (e.g. the INSTRUCTION.medication and >> INSTRUCTION.non_drug_therapy ones). >> >> Until then, in the presence of these "holes", my approach will be to use >> "placeholder" archetypes that hold the minimum needed information for this >> specific case e.g. for radio/hormone/chemotherapy as discussed above, until >> experts have agreed on their general suitable structure. I am welcoming any >> developments in this area. >> >> Thank you for your help. >> >> Best regards, >> Melanie. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Heather Leslie < >> heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Melanie, >>> >>> I see some great comments from Ian and Kevin so far - thanks. >>> >>> You aren't starting with anything simple ;-) - this is a very complicated >>> domain and hopefully you will have access to some oncological advice and >>> resources as well. >>> >>> The Medication archetype is a great starting point. Please be aware that >>> we are doing some work at the moment to try to bring the Medication family - >>> Instruction, Action and the common description up for collaborative review >>> in CKM soon. We are trying to harmonise the current archetype with many >>> requirements and standards so that we can try to streamline the review >>> process, but I expect that we will find it to be one of our harder >>> archetypes to get agreement on. Keep an eye out, and adopt the archetypes if >>> you would like to participate in the review when initiated. >>> >>> Intravenous orders and administration of drugs adds a further degree of >>> complexity, and most of your chemo will likely be needing this extra >>> functionality. Plus some of these chemo instructions will be complex >>> orders, potentially with a number of activities within the one order. Some >>> routes may be atypical eg intrathecal etc. >>> >>> Hormone therapy - hmm trying to remember back... Certainly many will be >>> simple oral medication instructions/actions; some will be IV (as above). We >>> need some expert advice here to determine if there are additional >>> requirements for some hormone therapy that exceed these identified use >>> cases. >>> >>> Radiotherapy is a completely separate area, and as Kevin/Ian suggest, you >>> need to determine the scope here - potentially it is a whole domain of >>> medicine! I would suggest you mindmap your requirements for recording as a >>> starting point, and from there you should be able to identify the potential >>> archetypes that need development - it may be more than one >>> instruction/action eg related measurements etc requiring recording in an >>> Observation archetype. >>> >>> regards >>> >>> Heather >>> >>> >>> On 11/11/2009 2:44 AM, Melanie Spath wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm trying to archetype patient records in a prostate cancer >>> environment. I see that there are currently no specific archetypes for >>> common cancer treatments such as radiotherapy, hormone therapy and >>> chemotherapy. Could hormone therapy and chemotherapy be described as >>> specializations of the openEHR-EHR-INSTRUCTION.medication.v1 >>> archetype? And could radiotherapy be described with a specialization >>> of openEHR-EHR-INSTRUCTION.non_ >>> drug_therapy.v1? Or should these be >>> described in completely new archetypes (e.g. INSTRUCTION.radiotherapy/ >>> hormone_therapy/chemotherapy)? >>> >>> Thanks for your help, >>> Melanie Spath. >>> >>> PhD Candidate >>> >>> Centre for Health Informatics >>> School of Computer Science & Statistics >>> Trinity College Dublin >>> Dublin 2, Ireland >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openEHR-clinical mailing list >>> openEHR-clinical at >>> openehr.orghttp://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>> database 4593 (20091110) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Dr Heather Leslie* >>> MBBS FRACGP FACHI >>> Director of Clinical Modelling >>> *Ocean Informatics <http://www.oceaninformatics.com/>* >>> Phone (Aust) +61 (0)418 966 670 >>> Skype - heatherleslie >>> Twitter - @omowizard >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> openEHR-clinical mailing list >>> openEHR-clinical at openehr.org >>> http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> openEHR-clinical mailing listopenEHR-clinical at >> openehr.orghttp://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical >> >> >> -- >> >> ________________________________________________ >> Dr Hugh Leslie MBBS, Dip. 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