Hi Peter,
We may be able to replace Eiffel Vision with something else, but that
is the next step of experiments, and will take a long discussion
before we get started with it. Thanks for the explanation!

Cheers
Seref

On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Peter Gummer
<peter.gummer at oceaninformatics.com> wrote:
> Seref Arikan wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the hard work. I'll give it a spin under Linux and
>> let you know how it goes.
>> If I had a Mac (cough), I'd do the same for the sugar coated BSD ;)
>
> There is not much sugar on the Mac build unfortunately, Seref, because
> it doesn't use Cocoa. The Mac build runs under X11 (i.e., X-Windows)
> and uses GTK, similar to the Linux build. I've built it many times on
> Linux and the Mac and it runs just as well as on Windows.
>
> Apart from the fact that it looks pretty ugly under GTK on the Mac, it
> is very hard for users to install because they need to install X11 and
> MacPorts first, and then wait ages for various packages to build.
> Linux users might say, "So what, that's normal", but it's completely
> abnormal for Mac and Windows users. Then, having built the packages,
> it may not run due to the packages they installed being incompatible
> with the ones that I had on my machine when I built it. DLL hell.
>
> The best solution to this would be to forget X11 on the Mac and build
> it for Cocoa instead. I did do a Cocoa build of it a few weeks ago --
> the first time I had ever tried to do that -- and it does compile and
> run natively on the Mac. Unfortunately, however, it didn't work well.
> The EiffelVision GUI framework has been ported to Cocoa, but not
> completely. The docking in particular was very bad. It was bad enough
> that it's currently unusable, I'm afraid. X11 is still the only option
> on the Mac.
>
> - Peter
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