Hi Ian, We will opt for what is available. We are scheduling trainings for China in July and Manila in November.
In communication now with Heather Leslie.. A certificate of proficiency will definitely be a plus. A certificate of attendance will suffice if that is what's currently available.. Thanks! alvin On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 5:43 PM, <openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org > wrote: > Send openEHR-clinical mailing list submissions to > openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > openehr-clinical-owner at lists.openehr.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of openEHR-clinical digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 13 (Ian McNicoll) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:42:26 +0000 > From: Ian McNicoll <ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com> > To: For openEHR clinical discussions > <openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org> > Subject: Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 13 > Message-ID: > <CAG-n1KywAWCSvK1fFO6YiBd= > YdcJgMRgx0E_hGzdF7LM5Yww_A at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Alvin, > > In theory I agree but if the Board is going to certify it needs to > have an established governance and certification infrastructure, some > way of reviewing course content etc. All of that takes time and > resource, and doing it on a global basis with translation issues etc > is pretty demanding. > > I'm not saying it could not or should not be done but I can only see > it happening if someone drives it as a business opportunity (and > risk). I think that is much more likely to happen at regional level > unless sufficient money can be generated to support a central > certification infrastructure, bearing in mind that establishing such > an infrastructure is an up-front requirement. > > There are parallels with the Industry Group who want to establish > technical system and organisation accreditation. There is a good > business case for this since it helps prevent competitors unfairly > claiming openEHR compliance. As such the Group is prepared to > pump-prime and guide development of the accreditation requirements and > infrastructure, and I would expect a fair proportion of the Industry > group membership fees to be used for this purpose. > > I am not sure that internationally there are enough economic drivers > to support something similar in Training. At national or regional > level this may be the case. The crunch will come when there is a more > competitive market, where clearly sub-standard or nominal openEHR > training is being offered by competitors. > > An alternative approach might be for those of us who are offering > training to think more in terms of a an 'openEHR trainers' group, > effectively a trade association. That might allow more organic > development of 'assured' training programs. > > Ian > > > > Ian > > > > On 21 February 2014 08:41, Alvin Marcelo <alvin.marcelo at gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Ian, > > > > A regional approach might work for us in AeHIN. If the board can > authorize a > > regional provider, we can discuss details with them...but since it is an > > openEHR certification, it should be Board-authorized... > > > > alvin > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 3:59 PM, > > <openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org> wrote: > >> > >> Send openEHR-clinical mailing list submissions to > >> openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > >> > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org > >> > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> openehr-clinical-owner at lists.openehr.org > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of openEHR-clinical digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 (Ian McNicoll) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 07:58:25 +0000 > >> From: Ian McNicoll <ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com> > >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions > >> <openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org> > >> Subject: Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> <CAG-n1KxhTBaznXZ7xuEK-cYEG9pGpVbBFWgQsYem5=tL5j-n+Q at mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hi Pablo / Evelyn, > >> > >> Some very good suggestions and proposals which I am sure the the Board > >> would consider very carefully. There have been Board discussions about > >> getting Training Certification established via an Academic Partnership > >> group, but finding someone with the bandwidth to take this on has been > >> difficult. > >> > >> My main concern is resource and funding. Everyone has to remember that > the > >> Foundation currently operates with zero income stream, and even when we > >> start to get Industry Partners membership fees, these will be tightly > >> ring-fenced to support API / RM / tooling development. > >> > >> It would be nice to think that the Foundation has resources to 'invest' > in > >> training certification but I do not see any immediate prospect of that > >> being a reality. The only way that it is going to happen is if some > >> individual / organisation sees setting up and running a training > >> certification (endorsed by the Foundation) as a business opportunity. > >> > >> I agree with Evelyn that this is not a trivial task, particularly trying > >> to > >> work on a global basis, with appropriate governance structures and > making > >> sure that the system works fairly. It would have to work so that the > >> Certifying body took some sort of percentage of course fees but would > need > >> quite a bit of investment of time and money to set up. > >> > >> I am not wholly convinced, at this point, that there is a big enough > >> market > >> in openEHR training (or enough providers) to make this a viable > business, > >> at least as a global activity. If there is local/regional interest, it > >> might be possible to have training certification run on a regional > basis, > >> under the auspices of Localisation groups. This can also take advantage > of > >> local training certification/governance arrangements e.g in the UK there > >> are some very tentative discussions to establish openEHR certification > >> under the auspices of one of the UK Health informatics professional > >> bodies. > >> That seems to me much more managable. > >> > >> In summary, if a proposal for a global openEHR training certification > >> service was received by the Board, I am sure it would be looked on > >> favourably, but I am pretty certain it would need to be self-funding and > >> personally I am not convinced that there is a sufficient market for > >> openEHR > >> training to make this sort of service viable at an international level. > >> > >> Sorry to sound negative but we do need to be realistic. The Board can > >> offer > >> support and 'validation' but realistically it is most unlikely to be > able > >> to offer investment. > >> Ian > >> > >> > >> > >> On 21 February 2014 02:12, pablo pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi Evelyn, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Many thanks for reminding us all about our previous discussions on > this > >> > topic. I have just had a look at the openEHR Foundation Governance > >> > structure and suggest we propose the establishment of an > >> > Education/Training > >> > Program responsible to the openEHR Management Board > >> > > >> > > >> > It's a wonderful idea. We can start the proposal by setting a template > >> > structure like: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 1. context: why are we doing this? what do we think is missing? how > >> > the objectives will help to spread openEHR (spreading the work > should > >> > a > >> > common objective of all the programmes) > >> > 2. objectives: what can we improve? > >> > 3. plan & methodology: what should we do to reach the objectives? > >> > 4. conditions: what we need to make this happen? from the > foundation, > >> > from the community, funding, endorsement, sponsorships, ... > >> > 5. time frame: when to start? when do we need to see results? (I > >> > would > >> > like to manage this as a project with concrete results and > decisions > >> > taken > >> > in a constrained time frame) > >> > 6. ... > >> > 7. ... > >> > > >> > > >> > who need to appoint a Program Leader (you may consider doing this? I'm > >> > happy to be your deputy to get it all started and operational). > >> > > >> > > >> > I can do the job, but only if I'm endorsed by the foundation and the > >> > community. I would like to know what others think about this. I'm sure > >> > there are a lot of people more capable than me on organizing this > kinds > >> > of > >> > things, I'm just a doer, not a politician nor a 100% academic guy :) > >> > > >> > > >> > We need to generate suitable terms of reference to be agreed to by the > >> > openEHR Foundation Board. For example we need to work closely with > the > >> > other Program leaders who should be able to assist in identifying some > >> > unique roles to get us started in a proper educationally sound manner. > >> > > >> > > >> > Totally agree, e.g. localization is key on training, so we need to be > >> > close to the localization programme (right now we're a little stuck > >> > there. > >> > Personally, I'm trying to coordinate some common actions with openEHR > >> > Brazil, where I'm acting as coordinator to the openEHR in spanish > >> > community). > >> > > >> > > >> > The focus needs to be on minimum core knowledge/skill requirements > for > >> > each role. There needs to be a fair bit of flexibility in terms of how > >> > the > >> > training/education is delivered. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Do you mean knowledge for people participating in the Education > >> > Programme > >> > ? Or the skill set a trainer should have? What are those "roles" you > >> > mention? > >> > > >> > > >> > The biggest issue I see is funding, as we need someone to manage such > a > >> > program, especially once the openEHR Foundation gets into a > >> > certification/licensing/accreditation program as this is heavily > reliant > >> > on > >> > a proper governance structure. Also the competency standards > themselves > >> > need to be maintained and updated from time to time. Australian has > >> > several > >> > Government funded Industry Skills Councils who take on these tasks. An > >> > alternative is for the openEHR Foundation to simply set the standards > >> > via > >> > its program and outsource the certification/accreditation process on a > >> > user > >> > pays basis. I guess we need to develop a business case? I'll have a > go > >> > at > >> > that. There are many issues to consider so documenting it in some > >> > organised > >> > way should assist the openEHR Foundation in their decision making. > >> > > >> > > >> > IMO, the first step is to have a group of people interested in > education > >> > and certification of openEHR related knowledge / skill sets, to create > >> > the > >> > programme. Then I think we need to come up with different educational > >> > levels (basic/introductory, intermediate, advanced, expert), different > >> > roles (clinical, informatician, project management, knowledge > >> > management, > >> > ...), and the matching topics we consider should be taught to those > >> > roles, > >> > for each level (is a matrix). > >> > > >> > > >> > Then we can analyze different kinds of educational sessions that can > be > >> > done: workshops, master classes, courses (long/short), > >> > talks/presentations, > >> > ... for each of these kinds we can propose some kind of formal > >> > certification from openEHR foundation. > >> > > >> > > >> > Of course, we need to have a place to think about how and who will > train > >> > trainers than can give those kinds of sessions, to get a certificate > >> > from > >> > openEHR foundation. > >> > > >> > > >> > Then think about costs, funding, how the foundation will get money in > >> > interchange of endorsing the training instances and certifications, > how > >> > much that will cost (IMO should be based on a %). But we can have > >> > courses > >> > in one hand, and exams in the other (is like when getting certified > with > >> > PMP from PMI you pay for the course and for the exam). > >> > > >> > > >> > Also, I think is key that we reach a common core of topics that should > >> > be > >> > taught in all the introductory/intermediate courses, then each > educator > >> > can > >> > make local changes. But I don't know if we can agree on having a > common > >> > basic set of materials (presentations, documents, papers, practices, > >> > etc). > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Perhaps we can get Gov't and other stakeholder funding as it is in > their > >> > interest to have a suitably skilled workforce???? We should also > >> > explore > >> > grant opportunities. > >> > > >> > > >> > If there's real interest of having a formal way of train and > certificate > >> > students, I think all I mentioned before doesn't need to be funded. I > >> > think > >> > is the investment we have to do to be endorsed by the foundation to > >> > train > >> > people. I would love to have an "openEHR foundation logo" on the > openEHR > >> > course in spanish I've designed more than 4 years ago as an "openEHR > >> > foundation approved" course, and give certificates formally approved > by > >> > openEHR foundation. I'm sure that can bring us to the next level in > >> > openEHR > >> > education. And I'm sure my course can be complemented by other > courses, > >> > english based also! And I would love to recommend other "endorser by > >> > openEHR foundation" courses to my students, so they can improve their > >> > skills. > >> > > >> > > >> > The main problem I see right now is how we engage openEHR boards to > take > >> > action and decide on this things. Of course, presenting the proposal > to > >> > create the programme committee will be the first step! > >> > > >> > > >> > All the best, > >> > > >> > Pablo. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Evelyn > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [image: EHE logo tree] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Prof Evelyn J.S.Hovenga, > >> > > >> > CEO, Director & Trainer > >> > > >> > *eHealth Education Pty Ltd, RTO 32279* > >> > (trading as RSC Training and eHE Training) > >> > > >> > : PO Box 9783, Frenchville Qld 4701 > >> > > >> > * e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au > >> > ? 0408309839 ' 1300 285 512 > >> > 8 www.ehe.edu.au & www.ehetraining.edu.au > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:* openEHR-clinical [mailto: > >> > openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org] *On Behalf Of *pablo > pazos > >> > *Sent:* Thursday, 20 February 2014 1:14 PM > >> > *To:* openEHR Clinical > >> > *Subject:* RE: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hi Evelyn, > >> > > >> > We had a long discussion a while ago (Jan 2012), we even created a > wiki > >> > page, but we didn't get further, IMO because we don't have a clear > view > >> > of > >> > the certification mechanisms from the foundation. > >> > > >> > I'd love to see and participate in an openEHR SIG, but some questions > >> > arises: > >> > > >> > Who will coordinate that? How do we engage people to participate? Who > >> > will > >> > validate the decisions of the SIG and make them formal? e.g. endorsed > by > >> > openEHR foundation, who can participate? who has the right to say who > >> > has > >> > the knowledge and capability to be part of the SIG? I can continue :) > >> > but I > >> > think I mentioned these a lot of times and got no clear answer, so it > >> > seems > >> > I don't ask the right questions, or maybe this is not the place to ask > >> > those question, or (I'm afraid of this last option) the foundation > >> > representatives doesn't know the answers. > >> > > >> > As an example, right now there are a lot of groups formally created > for > >> > each programme, but we still don't know what can we decide and how > those > >> > decisions will be endorsed by the foundation. Also participation is > >> > erratic > >> > because our little free time available. > >> > > >> > This is the exchange we had a while ago: > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/2012-January/006527.html > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Kind regards, > >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez > >> > http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home> > >> > ------------------------------ > >> > > >> > From: ehovenga at gmail.com > >> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org > >> > Subject: RE: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 > >> > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 15:43:27 +1000 > >> > > >> > Clearly there are many openEHR training providers. May I suggest > that > >> > the openEHR foundation consider setting the standards that graduates > of > >> > such training programs need to be able to comply with? This includes > >> > stating what competencies are needed for the various job roles but > also > >> > how > >> > to certify trainers themselves to ensure quality and consistency. The > >> > openEHR Foundation could consider providing an endorsement mechanism > for > >> > training organisations. An openEHR SIG could develop these standards. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Individual countries have their own system of regulating > >> > training/education quality based on educational standards. For > example > >> > we > >> > are a registered training organisation (RTO) in Australia able to > >> > develop a > >> > curriculum that may be accredited by our national regulator who then > >> > approves us to issue an agreed nationally recognised qualification > that > >> > fits with the Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF). All > >> > Universities > >> > and other training providers need to comply with that. We also have > >> > specific requirements on how to write a competency standard - see > >> > > >> > > http://www.nssc.natese.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/71303/TxtCompStandardSection.pdf > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > We have experience working with ITHSDO and HL7 regarding their > >> > certification programs. I also undertake accreditation of University > >> > ICT/SE programs for the Australian Computer Society and manage our > RTO. > >> > We're happy to participate. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards, Evelyn > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [image: EHE logo tree] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Prof Evelyn J.S.Hovenga, > >> > > >> > CEO, Director & Trainer > >> > > >> > *eHealth Education Pty Ltd, RTO 32279* > >> > (trading as RSC Training and eHE Training) > >> > > >> > : PO Box 9783, Frenchville Qld 4701 > >> > > >> > * e.hovenga at ehe.edu.au > >> > ? 0408309839 ' 1300 285 512 > >> > 8 www.ehe.edu.au & www.ehetraining.edu.au > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:* openEHR-clinical [ > >> > > >> > mailto:openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org< > openehr-clinical-bounces at lists.openehr.org>] > >> > *On Behalf Of *Jussara > >> > *Sent:* Saturday, 15 February 2014 6:05 AM > >> > *To:* For openEHR clinical discussions > >> > *Cc:* openEHR Clinical > >> > *Subject:* Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > We also provide training in openEHR with HL7 Brazil. This year we will > >> > provide the first Online course. We give also in company training. > >> > > >> > The Brazilian Health informatics association has introduced a HIT > >> > professional certificate two years ago- ProTICS, where knowledge of > >> > clinical models Is one of the desired skills to a health > >> > informaticiN, > >> > but is generic. Openehr Brasil is trying to Building a certificate > >> > project, > >> > but we want that it could be internationally acknowledged, and the > >> > only > >> > way is pushing the foundation to tackle this issue. My suggestion is > to > >> > create a SiG to organize that. I will propose this on next ?nterim > >> > board > >> > meeting. > >> > > >> > Volunteers? > >> > > >> > Jussara > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Enviado via iPad > >> > > >> > > >> > Em Feb 14, 2014, ?s 4:18 PM, pablo pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com> > >> > escreveu: > >> > > >> > Hi Alvin, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > We (CaboLabs.com) do openEHR training in spanish with ACHISA.org > >> > (Chilean > >> > Association of Healthcare Informatics. ACHISA gives a certificate from > >> > the > >> > association, but right now there is no formal certificate from openEHR > >> > itself. The course is online, and the fourth edition will start on > April > >> > 2014. We have a waiting list for the course: > >> > > >> > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dDlLUmpMX0pzaHJzZ21FMGVLN1dMUWc6MQ#gid=0 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > More info: > >> > > >> > > http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/2012/01/conclusiones-del-curso-de-openehen.html > < > http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/2012/01/conclusiones-del-curso-de-openehr-en.html > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > As Ian said, Ocean gives training and certificates also, those > instances > >> > are english-based. There are some videos of their training instances > on > >> > YouTube. I totally recommend you to take a look at that. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Have a nice weekend! > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Kind regards, > >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez > >> > http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home> > >> > > >> > > From: ian.mcnicoll at gmail.com > >> > > Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 13:59:59 +0000 > >> > > Subject: Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 22, Issue 1 > >> > > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org > >> > > > >> > > Hi Alvin, > >> > > > >> > > There have been some discussions abut formal openEHR training > >> > > accreditation but nothing concrete has emerged. The individual > >> > > companies like Ocean and Cabolabs that offer training can offer > >> > > certificates of attendance/training. > >> > > > >> > > Ian > >> > > > >> > > On 13 February 2014 09:24, Alvin Marcelo <alvin.marcelo at gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > Hi all, > >> > > > > >> > > > Just Wanted to know if there's is a certification training/program > >> > > > for > >> > > > openehr? > >> > > > > >> > > > On Feb 13, 2014 5:18 PM, > >> > > > <openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org> > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Send openEHR-clinical mailing list submissions to > >> > > >> openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > >> > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > >> > > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> > > >> openehr-clinical-request at lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> > > >> openehr-clinical-owner at lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > >> > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific > >> > > >> than "Re: Contents of openEHR-clinical digest..." > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Today's Topics: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> 1. Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE (Koray Atalag) > >> > > >> 2. Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE (Diego Bosc?) > >> > > >> 3. Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE (Diego Bosc?) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Message: 1 > >> > > >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 03:30:48 +0000 > >> > > >> From: Koray Atalag <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz> > >> > > >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions < > openehr-clinical at openehr.org> > >> > > >> Subject: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE > >> > > >> Message-ID: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> < > >> > > >> > > B1CE708E5C614F4BB990E32CC5F03AD4706B4B4C at uxcn10-tdc01.UoA.auckland.ac.nz> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Hi, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using > DV_QUANTITY > >> > > >> in > >> > > >> Archetype Editor? > >> > > >> It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international > agreement > >> > > >> is > >> > to > >> > > >> use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I > exists > >> > > >> in > >> > UCUM? > >> > > >> This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else > must > >> > have > >> > > >> hit the issue. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Cheers, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> -koray > >> > > >> > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> > > >> URL: > >> > > >> < > >> > > >> > > http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140213/321750a1/attachment-0001.html > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Message: 2 > >> > > >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:16:39 +0100 > >> > > >> From: Diego Bosc? <yampeku at gmail.com> > >> > > >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions > >> > > >> <openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org> > >> > > >> Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions < > openehr-clinical at openehr.org> > >> > > >> Subject: Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE > >> > > >> Message-ID: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> <CAFx8UwBTEWAZuy=-wdu1JbpSuP2bOMejH6YuBC40z6vX6= > b6Gg at mail.gmail.com> > >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Hi Koray, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> UCUM is extensible, you can define new units as long as you > follow > >> > > >> its > >> > > >> syntax. In this case you are lucky, as mmol/mol > (MilliMolesPerMole) > >> > > >> is > >> > > >> already used as UCUM unit. You can check it here: > >> > > >> http://www.hl7.de/download/documents/ucum/ucumdata.html > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I think I also added all these units as valid UCUM units on > LinkEHR > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> [image: Im?genes integradas 1] > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Which is represented in ADL as: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> C_DV_QUANTITY < > >> > > >> property = > >> > > >> <[openehr::507]> > >> > > >> list = < > >> > > >> ["1"] = < > >> > > >> units = > >> > > >> <"mmol/mol"> > >> > > >> magnitude = > >> > > >> <|0.0..200.0|> > >> > > >> precision = <|0|> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Hope this helps :) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> 2014-02-13 4:30 GMT+01:00 Koray Atalag > >> > > >> <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz > >> > >: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using > >> > > >> > DV_QUANTITY > >> > in > >> > > >> > Archetype Editor? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international > >> > > >> > agreement > >> > is to > >> > > >> > use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I > >> > > >> > exists > >> > in > >> > > >> > UCUM? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else > >> > > >> > must > >> > have > >> > > >> > hit the issue. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -koray > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> > openEHR-clinical mailing list > >> > > >> > openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> > > >> URL: > >> > > >> < > >> > > >> > > http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140213/e3a87d80/attachment-0001.html > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Message: 3 > >> > > >> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 10:16:39 +0100 > >> > > >> From: Diego Bosc? <yampeku at gmail.com> > >> > > >> To: For openEHR clinical discussions > >> > > >> <openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org> > >> > > >> Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions < > openehr-clinical at openehr.org> > >> > > >> Subject: Re: Representing HbA1c result (mmol/mol) in AE > >> > > >> Message-ID: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> <CAFx8UwBTEWAZuy=-wdu1JbpSuP2bOMejH6YuBC40z6vX6= > b6Gg at mail.gmail.com> > >> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Hi Koray, > >> > > >> > >> > > >> UCUM is extensible, you can define new units as long as you > follow > >> > > >> its > >> > > >> syntax. In this case you are lucky, as mmol/mol > (MilliMolesPerMole) > >> > > >> is > >> > > >> already used as UCUM unit. You can check it here: > >> > > >> http://www.hl7.de/download/documents/ucum/ucumdata.html > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I think I also added all these units as valid UCUM units on > LinkEHR > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> [image: Im?genes integradas 1] > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Which is represented in ADL as: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> C_DV_QUANTITY < > >> > > >> property = > >> > > >> <[openehr::507]> > >> > > >> list = < > >> > > >> ["1"] = < > >> > > >> units = > >> > > >> <"mmol/mol"> > >> > > >> magnitude = > >> > > >> <|0.0..200.0|> > >> > > >> precision = <|0|> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Hope this helps :) > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> 2014-02-13 4:30 GMT+01:00 Koray Atalag > >> > > >> <k.atalag at nihi.auckland.ac.nz > >> > >: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Any idea how to choose mmol/mol for HbA1c result using > >> > > >> > DV_QUANTITY > >> > in > >> > > >> > Archetype Editor? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > It used to be a proportion (%) but now the international > >> > > >> > agreement > >> > is to > >> > > >> > use this unit which does not come as an option. Wonder if I > >> > > >> > exists > >> > in > >> > > >> > UCUM? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > This is such a commonly used Lab item - I'm sure someone else > >> > > >> > must > >> > have > >> > > >> > hit the issue. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -koray > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> > openEHR-clinical mailing list > >> > > >> > openEHR-clinical at lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> > > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> > > >> URL: > >> > > >> < > >> > > >> > > http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-clinical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20140213/e3a87d80/attachment-0002.html > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > >> 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