Speaking informally as someone who has used the products, and also experienced (to varying degrees) the development approaches of both openEHR and HL7 (as well as ISO and CEN), all I'd like to say is that they both have strengths and they both have weaknesses - in different areas, in terms of organisation / governance, technical approach, stakeholder involvement, and deployment. Neither general approach is perfect and I can't think of any international organisation working on shared or standard health informatics specifications and tools that can't be improved. There is lots to learn from one another (as well as others and I realise that much of the general discussion has reflected willingness to do this). Personally, however, I'm more interested in seeing (or at least talking about plans for) product progress than I am in debating which development community's process is 'right' or 'wrong' - I just can't see the point of trying to win that debate, even if a 'winner' could be declared.
Cheers, Laura -----Original Message----- From: openehr-technical-bounces at openehr.org [mailto:openehr-technical-boun...@openehr.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Beale Sent: 25 November 2010 18:15 To: openehr-technical at openehr.org Subject: Re: HL7 modelling approach On 25/11/2010 18:28, William E Hammond wrote: > IYou apparently misread my comment. The mountains of money I assume you > mean UK was spent on many things, including archetypes. Great. I don't that is one place mountains of money were spent (a few ?100k on archetypes), but not the only one. > understand the comment "I know for a fact that the outcomes (using v3) are > not seen as good value. I have heard the opposite from those people who > spendt a lot of money. In any case, it is a value proposition. We use v2 > at Duke because it works for us, and we control the environment. none of this conversation (at least on my side) is about v2; v2 is proven technology, even if old, and it does more or less what it says on the tin, if you control it well enough (e.g. like via the specific v2 message standards in Australia). > CDA is a > v23 product - based on the HL7 RIM. Thanks for the compliment that CDA is > findoing great use. I declare that success. well it is finding use that's for sure, how widespread it is I can't say. You can move data with it. You can't built a realistic EHR with it; distributed versioning is not defined, querying is not defined (other than: figure it out some Xpaths yourself). Representing properly structured data with it has not been done much, and is widely recognised and claimed by HL7 experts to not be its main use case. > I don;'t care if the throw the red ball, roll the red nball, or toss the > red ball as long as I know it is a red ball. > > To all: I recognize that Thanksgiving is uniquely a US Holiday, but permit > me to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving. I think we all have a lot to be > thankful for - including the friendship and the opportunity to voice > different experiences. Now, my turkey is calling. It is a family time - > for us all. > oops - apologies! The above is a far better pursuit that this debate! Bon apetit ;-) - thomas _______________________________________________ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at openehr.org http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical ******************************************************************************************************************** This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it. Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your co-operation. NHSmail is the secure email and directory service available for all NHS staff in England and Scotland NHSmail is approved for exchanging patient data and other sensitive information with NHSmail and GSI recipients NHSmail provides an email address for your career in the NHS and can be accessed anywhere For more information and to find out how you can switch, visit www.connectingforhealth.nhs.uk/nhsmail ********************************************************************************************************************
