On 01/28/15 08:28 PM, David Brodbeck wrote:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Nikola M <minik...@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it breaks down mostly between "people that know how to use mail
client", valuing their privacy and people who just "click" on someone's
proprietary services, depending on someone else for use of even basic
services on internet.
Mail clients are always problematic, though, and I'm not surprised people
don't favor them anymore.
People in the business and personal world are using Mail clients very
intensively.
Not every Mail server admin or service provider is happy with keeping
all copies of all messages on servers forever, so Mail clients are in
wide use and they will stay being one of main tools for actually main
service on the internet, e-mail.
Heck, I've used GMail for my mail for several
years, even though I know how to set up and use an IMAP client and I used
to run my own mail server. The reason is I own four different computing
devices and it's not reasonable anymore to commit to using only one of them
to read email; having the mail stuck on one device's disk became a burden.
GMail offered the only reasonable cross-device solution for me at the time.
Nothing stops you to use IMAP client on all your devices and I bet there
is wide range of solutions on any possible platform, correct me if I am
wrong.
The privacy argument is interesting because it cuts both ways. A mailing
list means no one can tell which messages you've read, but it also means
broadcasting your personal email address to the world.
It does not need to be that way (broadcasting e-mail address to the world).
Usually it is enough not to have spam and it is even not so bad to be
able to be contacted by wide range of people.
Mailing list itself can have mechanism of cloaking everyone's mail
addresses, that is what Freenode is doing.
Bur Freenode also does not allow download of cloaked mailing list
archives to users, so one more reason to host mailing lists yourself.
A forum lets you
hide your address (and, if you use a proxy, even your IP) but not which
specific items you read.
But forum does not let you hide anything else from forum owners,
including private messages
and also it locks people inside forum itself, until they exchange
their... mail addresses.
If one uses proxy-like techniques, say, Vpn, tor etc, it can also hide
using any service if wants to, so nothing new here.
Using Newsgroups needs just ordinary mail client with Newsgroup support
and "subscribing" to groups.
I'm quite aware of how newsgroups work; I started out reading them in "tin"
in college. You're forgetting that it also needs an ISP with a working
news server, which is increasingly rare. I don't think my current ISP runs
one. Last time I used a newsgroup was about ten years ago, and even then
it was a matter of sifting a relatively small number of legitimate messages
out of an ocean of spam and broken threads. It's kind of sad how that
medium has declined.
I discovered that German Pirate Party group has a software solution to
link News group with it's web representation that looks like Forum.
That could fulfill needs of both Web-Gui people and those used to Mail
client with News support.
(And I bet there are some NNTP-Mailing list solutions for exchange
messages or something, too)
If anyone objects to having only mailing list , that could be dug up but
I suppose splitting Mailing lists and other representations could be
productive even at very high volume of new users, not happening soon.
If someone thinks that Influx of new users would be largely contributed
by allowing them to use Web interface to the list or something else,
please say.
I personally think that clear blank forum or something would scare
people away more effectively, then using Mail client with existing
mailing lists.
But linking them all together could be viable if done right and someone
needs to administer it, as well.
of exchanging messages. (both when I am online and offline!)
Yes, but that only works if you were subscribed when the question was
asked...
Actually as I mentioned, one Can download mailing list archives (usually
in .gz archives per month), unpack, concatenate them and give to mail
client as directory content.
After recognizing messages in it, one can even sent such relived archive
up to IMAP server (like your Gmail) (Crtl+A then copy to Dir on server)
and you then can use full Mailing list Archive in any IMAP client you
use, and even with Web interface. :)
Besides, searching mailing list archives is very easy, just narrow web
search engine to specific path where message archives are stored.
Assuming the archive hasn't blocked web spiders to try to prevent email
address harvesting (an increasingly common technique.)
If archive can be downloaded, then it can be searched.
I think you are right about spiders protection for web search, but hey,
archives are there to download.
I like it much better then needing to browse through some simulation of
newsgroups and mailing lists on web sites, that forums are.
I think this is the nub of the problem. Forums vary widely in quality and
some are quite usable, but if you come in expecting them to work exactly
like an NNTP client you'll always be disappointed.
Yes, true, I was mostly always disappointing in Forums, because they
usually deserve it, not being by any exchange standard and being
centralized around site that owns them.
Forums that can share messages with at least NNTP put a bit of light on
the matter.
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