So I take it you guys are talking about a port of jre8 to run directly on both android and iOS hardware/os.
Great. But what are the options for this? We have been focusing on robovm because it was the one that was at a working stage, but robo is based around the android rt. What options/alternatives are you guys proposing for the j8 runtime? What's out there that's working? On 05/07/2013, at 10:37 PM, Tobi <t...@ultramixer.com> wrote: > Mono is not Java and does not need the android java class library... > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 05.07.2013 um 14:37 schrieb Hervé Girod <herve.gi...@gmail.com>: > >> I'm with Tobias. Android class library has really stalled a lot compared to >> Java, and it wont improve in the future, and sticking to an outdated class >> library is not very interesting IMO. >> >> Beside we don't specifically need Android class library to compile AOT. Mono >> work on Android, and it even does not use Android class library. >> >> Hervé >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 5 juil. 2013, at 13:57, Niklas Therning <nik...@therning.org> wrote: >> >>> Even the latest version of Android are missing these classes and Dalvik >>> (the VM in Android) doesn't support invokedynamic so a backport is >>> required, not just for RoboVM. I managed to get Ensemble working yesterday >>> on iOS with the jfx78 sources and RoboVM. But even this backport contains >>> code which won't work on Android nor on RoboVM. E.g. I had to patch >>> FontFileWriter to get Ensemble working (it uses java.nio.file.Files which >>> is a Java7+ class). IMO the backport needs to target Android/RoboVM >>> specifically and not Java7. A first step would be to make it compile with >>> Java6. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Tobias Bley <t...@ultramixer.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe the missing classes in the android classes used by RoboVM are only >>>> missing in an old android class library and Oracles android port is based >>>> on a newer version? >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 05.07.2013 um 13:11 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> This is great Tobi, thanks! >>>>> >>>>> I'm a bit confused though - seems to be mixed messages on the need for >>>> the 78 backport? >>>>> >>>>> Danno, since Niklas is saying we need the backport, what steps do we >>>> need to take to get this working? >>>>> >>>>> I also don't understand Tobi's comments below about not using the >>>> android jdk. What is it that's not working, and isn't jfx suppose to run on >>>> android as well? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 04/07/2013, at 11:53 PM, Tobias Bley <t...@ultramixer.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I published by blog post about using JavaFX8 and RoboVM to build a iOS >>>> app: http://blog.software4java.com/?p=41 >>>>>> >>>>>> @Niklas: IMO it’s important that RoboVM support OpenJDK as alternative >>>> to the android class library because OpenJFX depends on OpenJDK not on >>>> Android class library (Apache Harmony). >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Tobi >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 04.07.2013 um 14:49 schrieb Niklas Therning <nik...@therning.org>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> RoboVM doesn't do invokedynamic so I guess this only works if the app >>>>>>> doesn't depend on any of the code in JavaFX8 that compiles down to >>>>>>> invokedynamic calls. Also, there are quite a few API's available in >>>> Java8 >>>>>>> (and also Java7) that RoboVM doesn't have. We really need to get the >>>> jfx78 >>>>>>> backport to compile for iOS and generate the static libs properly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've just got the font related code in the BrickBreaker sample working >>>>>>> using the jfx78 backport. There's still a bit of manual command line >>>> work >>>>>>> needed to merge the static libraries into universal libraries like the >>>> old >>>>>>> ant build system did automatically. But it isn't too hard. I'll try to >>>> put >>>>>>> up instructions on the robovm blog later today. I'll let you know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:31 AM, <steve.x.northo...@oracle.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/07/2013 7:17 PM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can I just use this: https://jdk8.java.net/**download.html< >>>> https://jdk8.java.net/download.html>? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks Richard, in the building for Mac section there is a link to >>>>>>>>>> "Install the latest JDK 8 build" that goes to a dead URL ( >>>>>>>>>> http://jdk8.dev.java.net/). Do you know the correct URL? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Richard Bair < >>>> richard.b...@oracle.com>** >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Extensive documentation that is mostly correct: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/**display/OpenJFX/Building+**OpenJFX >>>> <https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/OpenJFX/Building+OpenJFX> >>>> https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/**display/OpenJFX/Developing+**OpenJFX< >>>> https://wiki.openjdk.java.net/display/OpenJFX/Developing+OpenJFX> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is still a work in progress but most things you need to know to >>>> build >>>>>>>>>>> is found here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Richard >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Trying to catch up to Tobi on this one so I can have some fun with >>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I assume in order to compile the graphics repo of JFX8 I need an >>>> OpenJ8 >>>>>>>>>>> JDK >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> already installed? Are there pre-built bundles for this (for mac) >>>> or do >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> need to checkout and build myself? Does anyone know which repo, >>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>>>> command line arg should I use to build J8 in this case? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Tobias Bley <t...@ultramixer.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I used RoboVM 0.0.2 and the current OpenJFX8 from mercurial >>>> graphics >>>>>>>>>>>>> branch.... So no 78 backport. I will write a blog post on >>>>>>>>>>>>> blog.software4java.com until tomorrow... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently the performance is very limited - as Richard told too. >>>> I’m >>>>>>>>>>>>> testing now all the basic JFX controls (like button, RadioButton, >>>>>>>>>>>> CheckBox, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ListView, TableView, ...). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 03.07.2013 um 21:47 schrieb Daniel Zwolenski < >>>> zon...@gmail.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi, this is awesome! But you've left us hanging :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you use the 78 backport for this or just straight out J8? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What are the steps to reproduce your working build? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very darn exciting! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/07/2013, at 2:50 AM, Danno Ferrin < >>>> danno.fer...@shemnon.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JavaFX 8? Does RoboVM support invokedynamic? That is a big >>>> deal if >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Niklas Therning < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nik...@therning.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome! Can you please post the build instructions somewhere? >>>> I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> getting a long with gradle at all. :-( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Tobi <t...@ultramixer.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It works! Latest JavaFX 8 (gradle based) with RoboVM on a real >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> native text rendering and JFX CSS rendering! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tobi >>>> >>>>
