Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your question:

Yes, I have considered a career in politics.

That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you attempted to discuss :

 * the age of discussion participants,
 * their telephony equipment and
 * career plans,

none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX.

Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any, you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development.

As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of bitterness in your posts.

You can change that.

All the best,
Dalibor Topic

[0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/

On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote:
Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access to an English 
language parser. I could translate my original question into Klingon and 
resubmit if that would help.

And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is devoted to "ongoing 
OpenJFX development".  Clearly I was under the misapprehension that it was about 
unicorns, angels and aliens.

However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some clarification.

Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss telephony equipment 
used by other organisations because such information is transparent and clearly 
indicates belief and commitment to their own technologies.

Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics?

And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was accidental)...

On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> wrote:

Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able.

Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, please consider that 
this mailing list is for discussion of ongoing OpenJFX development.

If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, please do try to find a 
more suitable venue for discussion of such interests. While I can't help you 
find an adequate forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of 
other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a better place to do 
so in the future.

Cheers,
Dalibor Topic
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On 10.06.2016, at 12:46, Felix Bembrick <felix.bembr...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am taking that as a "yes" answer to my original question.

On a completely unrelated topic, do Microsoft employees all have Macs on their 
desktops and carry iPhones and iPads around?

No?

Well I bet Apple employees do!

On 10 Jun 2016, at 20:01, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> wrote:

I suspect that particular plugin is extremely rarely used, judging by 
https://github.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22javafx-mx.jar%22&type=Code&ref=searchresults
 showing 0 results.

cheers,
dalibor topic

On 09.06.2016 00:31, Kevin Rushforth wrote:
As some of you may be aware, JavaFX has shipped a JMX plugin as a
separate jar file along with the JDK (not part of the JRE) in
<JDK>/lib/javafx-mx.jar. Development on this plugin stopped prior to JDK
8 being shipped, although we continued to ship javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8.

Are there any developers that still use this? We haven't seen any bug
reports or had questions on it for quite a while. I note that this jar
file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 and we are trying to
determine how best to address this in JDK 9.

Our options are:

1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support

2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, meaning that any use would
require command line qualified exports to be added since it uses
internal packages

3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, javafx.jmx; it would not be
one of the default modules, so it would need to be added with -addmods.

Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, and given that it isn't
being actively maintained, might be a viable solution. If we do need to
keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, while still preserving
the ability for developers to use it. This is only used for tooling, so
requiring qualified exports, as is done for Robot and
PerformanceTracker, is not a problem.

Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we probably will deprecate
it with the intention to remove it in a future release.

-- Kevin

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