Dear Dalibor, "This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of Oracle's products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, specifically."
Read that again. Thank you for giving me the clear answer you promised! And thanks for the warning in case I accidentally start "spamming". But surely you wouldn't remove anyone from an "open" forum would you? Blessings, Felix > On 13 Jun 2016, at 21:17, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com> wrote: > > Felix, > > if you'd like to ask questions about Oracle's products, please do so at > https://community.oracle.com/welcome . > > This mailing list is the not the right forum for discussions of Oracle's > products. This mailing list is for OpenJFX development, specifically. > > On a side note, spamming this list with off-topic posts could result in > removal from it without further warning. > > cheers, > dalibor topic > >> On 13.06.2016 12:37, Felix Bembrick wrote: >> Thanks you most sincerely Dalibor for that very direct response. >> >> Only... it wasn't really, was it? >> >> You "believe I am entitled to a clear answer to my question". >> >> Great! */So why have you still not answered it?/* >> >> Let me put it another way */so as there can be no possible room for any >> further confusion (hopefully)/*. >> >> */COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL EXACTLY WHERE JAVAFX IS USED IN EITHER >> PRODUCTS USED INTERNALLY BY ORACLE OR IN COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS WHICH >> ORACLE MARKETS?/* >> >> Now, please give me the "clear answer" that I "am entitled to" (Your >> words, not mine). >> >> (Given that we now know that usage of JavaFX within JMX is about to be >> abandoned, and there may be a tiny fraction of JMC that is still gasping >> for air written using JavaFX, but knowing how */incredibly >> enthusiastically Oracle is advancing JavaFX/*, I *know* there must be >> hundreds more examples and I am sure we would all love to hear about >> them). That would give us all a lot more faith in JavaFX. I am sure you >> want that don't you? >> >> See - no mention of age of participants, telephony equipment or career >> plans! Just JMX and a lot about OpenJFX! >> >> Am I *still* in the wrong forum? >> >> All my blessings, >> >> Felix >> >> P.S. What is this "bitterness" that you speak of? >> >> >> >> On 13 June 2016 at 19:55, dalibor topic <dalibor.to...@oracle.com >> <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> wrote: >> >> Felix, I believe that you are entitled to a clear answer to your >> question: >> >> Yes, I have considered a career in politics. >> >> That being said, I would kindly suggest that you stop trying to >> divert[0] technical discussions in this community with off-topic >> posts, such as your contributions to this thread so far, where you >> attempted to discuss : >> >> * the age of discussion participants, >> * their telephony equipment and >> * career plans, >> >> none of which have anything to do with JMX or OpenJFX. >> >> Instead, you should consider unsubscribing from this mailing list >> for a week or two, in order to get clarity in what capacity, if any, >> you'd like to positively contribute to ongoing OpenJFX development. >> >> As it stands, your current mode of participation on this mailing >> list is a net loss for this community, and apparently, for yourself >> as well, judging by what seems to be an increasing amount of >> bitterness in your posts. >> >> You can change that. >> >> All the best, >> Dalibor Topic >> >> [0] https://joeyh.name/blog/entry/thread_patterns/ >> >> >> On 10.06.2016 15:29, Felix Bembrick wrote: >> >> Dalibor, please forgive me for assuming that Oracle had access >> to an English language parser. I could translate my original >> question into Klingon and resubmit if that would help. >> >> And thanks so much for pointing out to me that this forum is >> devoted to "ongoing OpenJFX development". Clearly I was under >> the misapprehension that it was about unicorns, angels and aliens. >> >> However, the word "ongoing" probably could do with some >> clarification. >> >> Oh, and I don't actually *need* to find a forum to discuss >> telephony equipment used by other organisations because such >> information is transparent and clearly indicates belief and >> commitment to their own technologies. >> >> Just out of interest, have you ever considered a career in politics? >> >> And thanks for finally answering my question (even if it was >> accidental)... >> >> On 10 Jun 2016, at 22:59, Dalibor Topic >> <dalibor.to...@oracle.com <mailto:dalibor.to...@oracle.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Felix, unfortunately your original question was not parse-able. >> >> Before you go on prolonging this thread with more of that, >> please consider that this mailing list is for discussion of >> ongoing OpenJFX development. >> >> If instead you would prefer to discuss something else, >> please do try to find a more suitable venue for discussion >> of such interests. While I can't help you find an adequate >> forum to discuss telephony equipment used by employees of >> other organizations, I hope that you will be able to find a >> better place to do so in the future. >> >> Cheers, >> Dalibor Topic >> -- >> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal Product >> Manager >> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:%2B494089091214><tel:+494089091214 >> <tel:%2B494089091214>> | Mobile: +491737185961 >> <tel:%2B491737185961> >> <tel:+491737185961 <tel:%2B491737185961>> >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | 22761 Hamburg >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. 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Development on this >> plugin stopped prior to JDK >> 8 being shipped, although we continued to ship >> javafx-mx.jar in JDK 8. >> >> Are there any developers that still use this? We >> haven't seen any bug >> reports or had questions on it for quite a >> while. I note that this jar >> file has been gone from JDK 9 ea since build 111 >> and we are trying to >> determine how best to address this in JDK 9. >> >> Our options are: >> >> 1) Remove it entirely and drop this tooling support >> >> 2) Continue to ship it as a legacy jar file, >> meaning that any use would >> require command line qualified exports to be >> added since it uses >> internal packages >> >> 3) Turn it into a proper JDK-only module, >> javafx.jmx; it would not be >> one of the default modules, so it would need to >> be added with -addmods. >> >> Obviously #1 would be the least amount of work, >> and given that it isn't >> being actively maintained, might be a viable >> solution. If we do need to >> keep it, then #2 might be less effort than #3, >> while still preserving >> the ability for developers to use it. This is >> only used for tooling, so >> requiring qualified exports, as is done for >> Robot and >> PerformanceTracker, is not a problem. >> >> Separately, if we don't remove it for JDK 9, we >> probably will deprecate >> it with the intention to remove it in a future >> release. >> >> -- Kevin >> >> >> -- >> <http://www.oracle.com> Dalibor Topic | Principal >> Product Manager >> Phone: +494089091214 <tel:%2B494089091214> >> <tel:+494089091214 <tel:%2B494089091214>> | Mobile: >> +491737185961 <tel:%2B491737185961> >> <tel:+491737185961 <tel:%2B491737185961>> >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. KG | Kühnehöfe 5 | >> 22761 Hamburg >> >> ORACLE Deutschland B.V. & Co. 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