Hi Thuan,

       I pushed the latest ticket-70 to my review repo.

       For these concerns you have try cleaning out your code, and pull
   the latest from my review repo for ticket-70. Contained should not get
   instantiated until you unlock-in the contained su. I'm guessing you are
   missing some patches...

       Let me know if you still see these issues.

   Alex

   On 09/24/2018 12:24 AM, Tran Thuan wrote:
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   Hi Alex,


   Can you send out new version of review?

   Then I can fetch latest version from your review repo.


   Some more concerns without using your additional patch plm-70 yet.


    1. After unlock-in, unlock container, contained got instantiated but
       admin state is still locked-in


   safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N

   saAmfSUAdminState=LOCKED-INSTANTIATION(3)

   saAmfSUOperState=ENABLED(1)

   saAmfSUPresenceState=INSTANTIATED(3)

   saAmfSUReadinessState=OUT-OF-SERVICE(1)

   --

   safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container

   saAmfSUAdminState=UNLOCKED(1)

   saAmfSUOperState=ENABLED(1)

   saAmfSUPresenceState=INSTANTIATED(3)

   saAmfSUReadinessState=IN-SERVICE(2)


    2. Also, I don't see how to make contained get assignment?


   root@SC-1:~# amf-adm unlock
   safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N

   error - saImmOmAdminOperationInvoke_2 admin-op RETURNED:
   SA_AIS_ERR_BAD_OPERATION (20)

   error-string: State transition invalid, state 3, op 1

   root@SC-1:~# amf-adm unlock-in
   safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N

   error - saImmOmAdminOperationInvoke_2 admin-op RETURNED:
   SA_AIS_ERR_BAD_OPERATION (20)

   error-string: Can't instantiate
   'safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N', whose presence
   state is '3'


    3. When I kill -9 `pidof amf_container_demo`, it seems recovery fail?


   2018-09-24 10:59:59.273 SC-1 osafamfnd[478]: NO
   'safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N' component restart
   probation timer started (timeout: 4000000000 ns)

   2018-09-24 10:59:59.273 SC-1 osafamfnd[478]: NO Restarting a component
   of 'safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N' (comp restart
   count: 1)

   2018-09-24 10:59:59.273 SC-1 osafamfnd[478]: NO
   'safComp=Contained_1,safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N'
   faulted due to 'avaDown' : Recovery is 'componentRestart'

   2018-09-24 10:59:59.274 SC-1 osafamfnd[478]: ER ncsmds_api for 0
   FAILED, dest=2010f00000280

   2018-09-24 10:59:59.274 SC-1 osafamfnd[478]: NO Component CLC fsm
   exited with error for
   comp:safComp=Contained_1,safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_
   2N

   2018-09-24 11:00:03.295 SC-1 osafamfnd[478]: NO
   'safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N' Component or SU
   restart probation timer expired


   safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N

                   saAmfSUAdminState=LOCKED-INSTANTIATION(3)

                   saAmfSUOperState=ENABLED(1)

                   saAmfSUPresenceState=INSTANTIATED(3)

                   saAmfSUReadinessState=OUT-OF-SERVICE(1)

   --

   safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container

                   saAmfSUAdminState=UNLOCKED(1)

                   saAmfSUOperState=ENABLED(1)

                   saAmfSUPresenceState=INSTANTIATED(3)

                   saAmfSUReadinessState=IN-SERVICE(2)


   safSi=Contained_2N_1,safApp=Contained_2N

                   saAmfSIAdminState=UNLOCKED(1)

                   saAmfSIAssignmentState=UNASSIGNED(1)

   safSi=Container,safApp=Container

                   saAmfSIAdminState=UNLOCKED(1)

                   saAmfSIAssignmentState=PARTIALLY_ASSIGNED(3)


   Best Regards,

   Thuan


   From: Jones, Alex [1]<ajo...@rbbn.com>
   Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 1:01 AM
   To: Tran Thuan [2]<thuan.t...@dektech.com.au>;
   [3]nagen...@hasolutions.in; 'Gary Lee' [4]<gary....@dektech.com.au>;
   [5]hans.nordeb...@ericsson.com; [6]ravisekhar.ko...@oracle.com
   Cc: [7]opensaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
   Subject: Re: [devel] [PATCH 1/1] amf: add support for
   container/contained [#70]


   Hi Tran,

       Here is a patch you can overlay to fix this crash.

   Alex


   On 09/21/2018 06:31 AM, Tran Thuan wrote:
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   _______________________________________________________________________

     Hi Alex,
     I think you need update samples/amf/container/README.
     Also when I try following steps, AMFD crash.
     root@SC-1:/opt/amf_demo# immcfg -f AppConfig-container.xml
     root@SC-1:/opt/amf_demo# immcfg -f AppConfig-contained-2N.xml
     root@SC-1:/opt/amf_demo# amf-adm unlock-in
     safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     root@SC-1:/opt/amf_demo# amf-adm unlock
     safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     root@SC-1:/opt/amf_demo# amf-adm lock
     safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.338 SC-1 osafamfnd[512]: NO Assigning
     'safSi=Container,safApp=Container' ACTIVE to
     'safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container'
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.339 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]: csi set
     callback for
     comp: safComp=Container,safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.339 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]: CSI Set - add
     'safCsi=Container1,safSi=Container,safApp=Container' HAState Active
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.339 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]: name:
     Contained1,
     value: AAAA
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.339 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]: name:
     Contained1,
     value: BBBB
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.340 SC-1 osafamfnd[512]: NO Assigned
     'safSi=Container,safApp=Container' ACTIVE to
     'safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container'
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.413 SC-1 osafamfnd[512]: NO
     'safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N' Presence State
     UNINSTANTIATED => INSTANTIATING
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.414 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]: =====Contained
     Instantiate Callback====>
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.414 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]:
     comp:safComp=Contained_1,safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contain
     ed_2N
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.414 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]: responding
     with
     TRY_AGAIN
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.417 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]:
     <===========================================
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.418 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]: =====Contained
     Clean
     Up Callback====>
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.418 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]:
     comp:safComp=Contained_1,safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contain
     ed_2N
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.418 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]:
     <===========================================
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.422 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]: =====Contained
     Instantiate Callback====>
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.422 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]:
     comp:safComp=Contained_1,safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contain
     ed_2N
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.422 SC-1 amf_container_demo[739]:
     <===========================================
     2018-09-21 16:58:38.424 SC-1 osafamfnd[512]: NO
     'safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N' Presence State
     INSTANTIATING => INSTANTIATED
     2018-09-21 17:19:07.776 SC-1 osafamfnd[512]: ER AMFD has
     unexpectedly
     crashed. Rebooting node
     2018-09-21 17:19:07.776 SC-1 osafamfnd[512]: Rebooting OpenSAF
     NodeId =
     131343 EE Name = , Reason: AMFD has unexpectedly crashed. Rebooting
     node,
     OwnNodeId = 131343, SupervisionTime = 60
     2018-09-21 17:19:07.778 SC-1 osafimmnd[438]: NO Implementer locally
     disconnected. Marking it as doomed 5 <23, 2010f> (safAmfService)
     2018-09-21 17:19:07.799 SC-1 opensaf_reboot: Rebooting local node;
     timeout=60
     Best Regards,
     Thuan
     -----Original Message-----
     From: [8]nagen...@hasolutions.in [9]<nagen...@hasolutions.in>
     Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 12:57 PM
     To: Alex Jones [10]<ajo...@rbbn.com>; Gary Lee
     [11]<gary....@dektech.com.au>;
     [12]hans.nordeb...@ericsson.com; [13]ravisekhar.ko...@oracle.com
     Cc: [14]opensaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
     Subject: Re: [devel] [PATCH 1/1] amf: add support for
     container/contained
     [#70]
     Hi Alex,
     Thanks for the patch.
     From my side Ack. I wish that I could have tested the following area
     (I
     assume you would have covered it):
     - Headless enabled test cases
     - CSI Dep, SI Dep testing(in 2N red model)
     - Combinations of Admin operations on Container and contained (in
     all 5 red
     models for contained) with fault scenarios.
     - Escalations of contained components.
     Thanks,
     Nagendra, 91-9866424860
     High Availability Solutions Pvt. Ltd. ([15]www.hasolutions.in)
     - OpenSAF Support and Services
     --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] amf:
     add
     support for container/contained [#70]
     From: "Alex Jones" [16]<ajo...@rbbn.com>
     Date: 9/6/18 8:52 pm
     To: [17]nagen...@hasolutions.in, "Gary Lee"
     [18]<gary....@dektech.com.au>,
     [19]hans.nordeb...@ericsson.com, [20]ravisekhar.ko...@oracle.com
     Cc: [21]opensaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
     Hi Nagu,
     Here's a patch that fixes your issue in test #1.
     For the other code review issues, is it OK if I just add them when I
     push the final patch. Or do you want to review them now?
     Alex
     On 08/30/2018 01:44 AM, [22]nagen...@hasolutions.in wrote:
     NOTICE: This email was received from an EXTERNAL sender
     Hi Alex,
     Thanks for your response.
     For Test #2, I had configured all SUs on the single node SC-1. So, 2
     container SUs and 2 contained SUs are on the same node. In such
     cases, we
     can have the implementation as having only one SU of that
     node(higher rank
     SUs may be) to be the container for all the contained SUs of that
     node.
     Thanks,
     Nagendra, 91-9866424860
     High Availability Solutions Pvt. Ltd. ([23]www.hasolutions.in)
     - OpenSAF Support and Services
     --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] amf:
     add
     support for container/contained [#70]
     From: "Alex Jones" [24]<ajo...@rbbn.com>
     Date: 8/29/18 9:29 pm
     To: [25]nagen...@hasolutions.in, "Gary Lee"
     [26]<gary....@dektech.com.au>,
     [27]hans.nordeb...@ericsson.com, [28]ravisekhar.ko...@oracle.com
     Cc: [29]opensaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
     Hi Nagu,
     I have a fix for your issue test #1. I will send out a patch along
     with
     changes for code review #1 and #2.
     For issue test #2, I think this needs to be handled in the
     configuration. In this case because there is no explicit node set
     for the
     contained SUs, su.cc:map_su_to_node will assign a node in the node
     group.
     The code is assigning it to SC-2 in this case, because another SU
     has been
     assigned to SC-1, even though there is no container on SC-2. I'm not
     sure
     how we can get around this without explicitly setting the contained
     host
     node in the configuration. Since the container csi has not yet been
     assigned, we can't map it to a container, and so we can't figure out
     which
     container we should be on the same node as. Am I right here?
     Alex
     On 08/28/2018 09:56 AM, [30]nagen...@hasolutions.in wrote:
     NOTICE: This email was received from an EXTERNAL sender
     Hi Alex,
     Code review:
     1. Header for few functions are missing.
     2. Clc.cc: Need to add '0' in place
     avnd_comp_clc_inst_try_again_hdler in
     other fsm states.
     Testing:
     1. Uploaded AppConfig-container.xml and AppConfig-contained-2N.xml
     Performed:
     amf-adm unlock-in safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     amf-adm unlock safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     Even I don't perform the following, the contained components are
     instantiated.
     amf-adm unlock-in safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N
     amf-adm unlock safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N
     Aug 28 19:15:11 nags-VirtualBox osafamfnd[28278]: NO
     'safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N' Presence State
     UNINSTANTIATED => INSTANTIATING
     immlist safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N will show
     saAmfSUPresenceState 3(instantiated) and saAmfSUAdminState
     3(locked-in)
     Now further admin operation on
     safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N will fail:
     root@nags-VirtualBox:/home/nags/views/ajones-review/samples/amf/cont
     ainer#
     amf-adm unlock-in safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N
     error - saImmOmAdminOperationInvoke_2 admin-op RETURNED:
     SA_AIS_ERR_BAD_OPERATION (20)
     error-string: Can't instantiate
     'safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N', whose presence
     state is
     '3'
     2.This is related to Specs 6.2.2 Assignment of the Container CSI:
     "If there
     are multiple container components on a node which have the active HA
     state
     for a particular container CSI, and one or more service units on the
     same
     node whose contained components are configured with the same
     container CSI,
     it is implementation- defined how the Availability Management
     Framework
     selects container components to handle the life cycle of the
     contained
     components of these service units.
     However, all contained components of a service unit must have the
     same
     associated container component."
     Uploaded AppConfig-container.xml and AppConfig-contained-2N.xml with
     once
     difference that all SUs of container and contained are configured on
     SC-1.
     Perform the following operations, but
     safSu=SU2,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N will not get
     assignments.
     amf-adm unlock-in safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N
     amf-adm unlock safSu=SU1,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N
     amf-adm unlock-in safSu=SU2,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N
     amf-adm unlock safSu=SU2,safSg=Contained_2N,safApp=Contained_2N
     amf-adm unlock-in safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     amf-adm unlock safSu=SU1,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     amf-adm unlock-in safSu=SU2,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     amf-adm unlock safSu=SU2,safSg=Container,safApp=Container
     root@nags-VirtualBox:/home/nags/views/ajones-review/samples/amf/cont
     ainer#
     amf-state siass
     safSISU=safSu=SC-1\,safSg=NoRed\,safApp=OpenSAF,safSi=NoRed1,safApp=
     OpenSAF
     saAmfSISUHAState=ACTIVE(1)
     saAmfSISUHAReadinessState=READY_FOR_ASSIGNMENT(1)
     safSISU=safSu=SC-1\,safSg=2N\,safApp=OpenSAF,safSi=SC-2N,safApp=Open
     SAF
     saAmfSISUHAState=ACTIVE(1)
     saAmfSISUHAReadinessState=READY_FOR_ASSIGNMENT(1)
     safSISU=safSu=SU1\,safSg=Contained_2N\,safApp=Contained_2N,safSi=Con
     tained_2
     N_1,safApp=Contained_2N
     saAmfSISUHAState=ACTIVE(1)
     saAmfSISUHAReadinessState=READY_FOR_ASSIGNMENT(1)
     safSISU=safSu=SU1\,safSg=Container\,safApp=Container,safSi=Container
     ,safApp=
     Container
     saAmfSISUHAState=ACTIVE(1)
     saAmfSISUHAReadinessState=READY_FOR_ASSIGNMENT(1)
     safSISU=safSu=SU2\,safSg=Container\,safApp=Container,safSi=Container
     ,safApp=
     Container
     saAmfSISUHAState=ACTIVE(1)
     saAmfSISUHAReadinessState=READY_FOR_ASSIGNMENT(1)
     I will do further testing.
     The documentation need to be done if you haven't tested :
     - Headless enabled
     - CSI Dep, SI Dep testimg
     - Etc.
     Thanks,
     Nagendra, 91-9866424860
     High Availability Solutions Pvt. Ltd. ([31]www.hasolutions.in)
     - OpenSAF Support and Services
     --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] amf:
     add
     support for container/contained [#70]
     From: "Alex Jones" [32]<ajo...@rbbn.com>
     Date: 8/15/18 11:10 pm
     To: "Gary Lee" [33]<gary....@dektech.com.au>,
     [34]hans.nordeb...@ericsson.com,
     [35]ravisekhar.ko...@oracle.com, [36]nagen...@hasolutions.in
     Cc: [37]opensaf-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
     G'day Gary,
     I see you were adding the XML file dynamically with "immcfg -f". I
     hadn't tried that. I hadn't tried killing the sample app, either.
     Here is a patch that should fix both issues. Apply it on top of the
     latest big one I sent.
     Alex
     On 08/13/2018 10:37 PM, Gary Lee wrote:
     NOTICE: This email was received from an EXTERNAL sender
     Hi Alex
     I modified AppConfig-container.xml and changed
     saAmfSgtRedundancyModel from
     4 (NwayAct) to 1 (2N).
     The xml still loads and I could unlock, resulting in:
     root@SC-1:/var/log# immlist safVersion=1,safSgType=Container
     Name Type Value(s)
     ====================================================================
     ====
     safVersion SA_STRING_T
     safVersion=1
     saAmfSgtValidSuTypes SA_NAME_T
     safVersion=1,safSuType=Container (32)
     saAmfSgtRedundancyModel SA_UINT32_T 1 (0x1)
     safSISU=safSu=SU2\,safSg=Container\,safApp=Container,safSi=Container
     ,safApp=
     Container
     saAmfSISUHAState=STANDBY(2)
     saAmfSISUHAReadinessState=READY_FOR_ASSIGNMENT(1)
     safSISU=safSu=SU1\,safSg=Container\,safApp=Container,safSi=Container
     ,safApp=
     Container
     saAmfSISUHAState=ACTIVE(1)
     saAmfSISUHAReadinessState=READY_FOR_ASSIGNMENT(1)
     Also, have you tried killing the amf_container_demo binary?
     Thanks
     Gary
     On 14/08/18 05:00, Alex Jones wrote:
     Hi Gary,
     I just resubmitted a new patch which breaks out the different
     components, and addresses the other comments here. But, #2
     (rejecting all
     but NWay-active for container) should already be in there. Is there
     a
     specific test you ran that didn't work?
     Alex
     On 08/13/2018 02:43 AM, Gary Lee wrote:
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     Hi Alex
     Some initial comments:
     0. Is it possible to split up the patch into amfd / amfnd / common /
     samples. Just makes it easier to reply inline.
     1. Please compile the container demo by default, and make
     amf_container_script world executable.
     Eg.
     diff --git a/samples/amf/Makefile.am b/samples/amf/Makefile.am index
     447dedd..7ebf9c3 100644
     --- a/samples/amf/Makefile.am
     +++ b/samples/amf/Makefile.am
     @@ -19,5 +19,5 @@ include $(top_srcdir)/Makefile.common
     MAINTAINERCLEANFILES = Makefile.in
     -SUBDIRS = sa_aware non_sa_aware wrapper proxy api_demo +SUBDIRS =
     sa_aware non_sa_aware wrapper proxy api_demo container
     diff --git a/samples/amf/container/amf_container_script
     b/samples/amf/container/amf_container_script
     old mode 100644
     new mode 100755
     diff --git a/samples/configure.ac b/samples/configure.ac index
     7cf803e..9765d54 100644
     --- a/samples/configure.ac
     +++ b/samples/configure.ac
     @@ -67,6 +67,7 @@ AC_CONFIG_FILES([ \
     amf/wrapper/Makefile \
     amf/proxy/Makefile \
     amf/api_demo/Makefile \
     + amf/container/Makefile \
     cpsv/Makefile \
     cpsv/ckpt_demo/Makefile \
     cpsv/ckpt_track_demo/Makefile \
     2. We should probably reject CCBs that set saAmfSgtRedundancyModel
     to
     anything other than NWayActive, for Containers.
     3. Do we need to bump the msg format version to
     AVSV_AVD_AVND_MSG_FMT_VER_8? An old amfnd will assert if it gets an
     AVSV_D2N_CONTAINED_SU_MSG_INFO msg.
     Thanks
     Gary
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