On Wednesday 02 May 2007 19:59:37 Nils Larsch wrote:
> Martin Paljak wrote:
> > On 02.05.2007, at 15:21, Alaric Dailey wrote:
> >> StartCom has free certs, and is now accepted by most browsers.
> >
> > Nice service.
> >
> > But real life statistics say: 80% users use IE (in Estonia)
>
> 80% of the opensc-project.org visitors use IE .... I'm little
> bit disappointed :-(
hu? our official statistic tells me:
Firefox Nein 5556 45.2 %
MS Internet Explorer Nein 2855 23.2 %
Mozilla Nein 1835 14.9 %
Konqueror Nein 569 4.6 %
Safari Nein 506 4.1 %
Opera Nein 413 3.3 %
Unbekannt ? 316 2.5 %
Netscape Nein 69 0.5 %
Epiphany Nein 46 0.3 %
Wget Ja 46 0.3 %
Sonstige 64 0.5 %
or the full list:
Browser Versionen Grabber Zugriffe Prozent
MSIE 2855 23.2 %
Msie 7.0 Nein 979 7.9 %
Msie 6.0 Nein 1837 14.9 %
Msie 5.5 Nein 18 0.1 %
Msie 5.01 Nein 3 0 %
Msie 5.0 Nein 17 0.1 %
Msie ? Nein 1 0 %
FIREFOX 5556 45.2 %
Firefox 4 Nein 1 0 %
Firefox 2.0.0.4 Nein 77 0.6 %
Firefox 2.0.0.3 Nein 3665 29.8 %
Firefox 2.0.0.2 Nein 136 1.1 %
Firefox 2.0.0.1 Nein 122 0.9 %
Firefox 2.0 Nein 101 0.8 %
Firefox 1.5.0.9 Nein 62 0.5 %
Firefox 1.5.0.8 Nein 17 0.1 %
Firefox 1.5.0.7 Nein 284 2.3 %
Firefox 1.5.0.6 Nein 9 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.5 Nein 15 0.1 %
Firefox 1.5.0.4 Nein 19 0.1 %
Firefox 1.5.0.3 Nein 2 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.2 Nein 6 0 %
Firefox 1.5.0.11 Nein 543 4.4 %
Firefox 1.5.0.10 Nein 381 3.1 %
Firefox 1.5 Nein 4 0 %
Firefox 1.0.7 Nein 2 0 %
Firefox 1.0.4 Nein 26 0.2 %
Firefox 1.0.2 Nein 7 0 %
Firefox 1.0.1 Nein 77 0.6 %
NETSCAPE 69 0.5 %
Netscape 7.1 Nein 20 0.1 %
Netscape 5.0 Nein 49 0.3 %
Sonstige 3795 30.9 %
Mozilla Nein 1835 14.9 %
Konqueror Nein 569 4.6 %
Safari Nein 506 4.1 %
Opera Nein 413 3.3 %
Unbekannt ? 316 2.5 %
Epiphany Nein 46 0.3 %
Wget Ja 46 0.3 %
Galeon Nein 35 0.2 %
Camino Nein 18 0.1 %
LibWWW Nein 9 0 %
Curl Ja 2 0 %
so ie users are the minority. at least judging from the data for today.
april data:
Browser Grabber Zugriffe Prozent
Firefox Nein 85095 36.7 %
MS Internet Explorer Nein 61867 26.7 %
Konqueror Nein 21683 9.3 %
Mozilla Nein 16884 7.2 %
Unbekannt ? 16192 6.9 %
Wget Ja 15474 6.6 %
Opera Nein 6221 2.6 %
Safari Nein 5848 2.5 %
Netscape Nein 676 0.2 %
Galeon Nein 618 0.2 %
Sonstige 878 0.3 %
so I could use startcom.
the more important questions is: but why do we need an official ssl
certificate at all? there is no user information on opensc-project.org,
all we use ssl for is the developer write access to the svn repository
(and the login with trac and awstats and munin - but those are not
very important).
also I think the ssh security model - save a key the first time you access
some site, and in the future check it is the same - is supperior to the ssl
model wit CAs and CRLs and all that for many use cases. at least for the
https+svn case I think it is.
anyway, much more important things to do right now, but feel free to keep the
discussion alive and remind me after the 0.11.2 release, ok?
Thanks, Andreas
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