It's also worth noting that MS released a somewhat FOSS (I'm a little unsure which of their licenses they used and whether it's an OSI one or not) implementation of .NET for Linux called 'Rotor'.
Adam > -----Original Message----- > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev- > boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Frisby, Adam > Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2009 8:59 PM > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] [linux-elitists] Mono considered harmful > > Yeah, I did miss reasonable fees. > > However, it is widely believed that the Novell/MS pact disclaims these. > I would highly suggest bringing this one over to the Mono mailing list, > they have a lot more experience dealing with these claims. > > Adam > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev- > > boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Eugen Leitl > > Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2009 11:34 AM > > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] [linux-elitists] Mono considered harmful > > > > ----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> ----- > > > > From: Rick Moen <r...@linuxmafia.com> > > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:44:08 -0700 > > To: linux-eliti...@zgp.org > > Subject: Re: [linux-elitists] [Opensim-dev] Mono considered harmful > > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 > > > > Quoting Eugen Leitl (eu...@leitl.org): > > > > > IANAL, does below explanation by Adam hold water? > > > > You don't have to be a lawyer to know that it's rubbish on two > separate > > grounds. > > > > Yes, C# is an ECMA standard. However: > > > > (1) It doesn't follow that ECMA International has any power to > "forbid" > > patent holders from suing anyone over anything, let alone patent > > infringement. I mean, think about it: Does Adam think ECMA > > International is Microsoft Corporation's daddy? That it owns 51% of > > the > > issued and outstanding common stock? At worst, it might be possible > > for > > ECMA International to be very deeply disappointed in Microsoft's > > behaviour at some future point, decertify particular things, and > > otherwise carry out mild actions that _are_ within its power. > > > > More important: > > > > (2) In any event, ECMA International does not even _profess_ to > > disapprove of suing patent infringers. It merely has a "Code of > > Conduct > > in Patent Matters" > > (http://www.ecma-international.org/memento/codeofconduct.htm), > setting > > ECMA policy that the group will approve standards only if it has > > written > > assurances from applicant that applicable patents will be licensed on > a > > "reasonable, non-discriminatory basis". (That term of art is > typically > > referred to as RAND terms.) > > > > Has Adam Frisby completely missed the last decade of standards > warfare? > > The proprietary camp has repeatedly attempted to get the World Wide > Web > > Consortium to start accepting "RAND" patent licensing, instead of > > requiring that applicants certify that covering patents will be > > _royalty-free_. This arm-twisting failed, because of diligent > > focussing > > of attention from open source people. W3C has stuck to its guns and > > insistend on royalty-free patent licensing. > > > > To spell it out: "Reasonable" means obligatory patent royalty > > payments. > > Which means no open source implementations of those standards. > > > > And that is one reason why ECMA standards can be (and often are) > issued > > on terms hostile to open source, whereas W3C standards are reliable > and > > open-source-friendly. > > > > Sheesh. > > > > -- > > Cheers, HÃggledy-pìggledy / XML programmers > > Rick Moen Try to escape those / I-eighteen-N woes; > > r...@linuxmafia.com Incontrovertibly / What we need more of is > > McQ! (4x80) Unicode weenies and / François Yergeaus. > > _______________________________________________ > > linux-elitists mailing list > > linux-eliti...@zgp.org > > http://allium.zgp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > > Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > > ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org > > 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensim-dev mailing list > > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-dev mailing list > Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev _______________________________________________ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-dev